ᐅ Floor Plan: 1.5-Story Gable Roof House Without Basement – Feedback or Suggestions?
Created on: 3 Oct 2021 21:29
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ChristianAusN
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: Approx. 28x23m (92x75 ft), 644m² (6,931 ft²)
Slope: No
Floor space index (FSI): 0.35
Plot ratio: 0.5
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: See image, plot P53
Edge development: Garage, max. 9m (30 ft) per side, max. 15m (49 ft) total
Number of parking spaces
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: Gable roof, 42-48°
Style: "Classic"(?)
Orientation: 16° east, see also floor plan drawing
Maximum heights/limits: Max. wall height (from top plate to roof covering) = 4.2m (14 ft)
Additional requirements: Ridge running parallel to the street
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: See above
Basement, floors: No basement, 1.5 floors
Number and ages of occupants: 2 adults in their mid-30s, teenager 15 years old, girl 2 years old, possibly one more child planned
Space requirements on ground floor (GF) and upper floor (UF): As per plan, shower option on GF is important, study on GF should be adaptable as master bedroom in later years
Office: Family use or home office? Regular home office use by "him", room on GF additionally used as sewing room by "her"
Guest bedrooms per year: Few or none
Open or closed layout: Open living-dining-kitchen area, but without stairs in the living room
Traditional or modern construction: Somewhere in between
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open, preferably a freestanding island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: No
Music/surround sound wall: Speakers for 5.1 system should be possible in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: Not needed
Garage, carport: Double garage with space for workbench/bicycles
Utility garden, greenhouse: No
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, reasons for choices:
- Mandatory secondary bathroom with shower on GF
- Upper floor passage to garage roof desired: quick transfer of winter/summer clothes, for example
- Good sound insulation between rooms on UF
- Planning aimed to keep as much distance as possible from the street to the south and neighbor to the west (when sitting on the terrace)
- Dormer in the middle room on UF to have at least one room without a sloped ceiling
House Design
Designer: Do-it-yourself
What is liked most?
- Open living-dining-kitchen area
- With view over (almost) the entire plot (garden, driveway)
- Lots of storage / expansion options in attic of house and garage roof (to be accessible directly from UF)
- Dressing room as a passage into bathroom on UF
What is disliked?
All mostly small compromises in our eyes:
- Slightly longer route from kitchen to terrace
- Slightly longer route from entrance to pantry (groceries can also be delivered from front of kitchen)
- Upper floor hallway gets little natural daylight
- If entrance is separated as a windbreak, it is only about 1.8m (6 ft) deep (but we’d initially keep it open)
- Bathroom light on UF only from double casement window (above toilet)
Estimated price fromarchitect/planner for own planning: Based on relatively recent offers – depending on self-work 440,000 - 500,000€ including plot
Personal price limit for house including fittings: +50k
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details/expansions
- Could give up: Walk-in shower on UF (if necessary with glass door is OK), dormer on middle room UF, passage on UF to garage (with major regrets...)
- Cannot give up: Study on GF, shower bathroom on GF
Why did the design turn out the way it did? e.g.
Standard design from planner?
No, inspired by found floor plans, houses of acquaintances, many discussions between us.
Standard plans usually have an entrance on the north side, which makes no sense with access from the south as in our case. Since it wasn’t possible to sensibly integrate an entrance on the south side, it was moved to the side – aligned between house and garage.
At the same time, we wanted to keep as much garden as possible. Neither passersby in the south, nor the neighbor on the west “on top of us” when we sit on the terrace.
A small rule when planning the rooms was: “no walls shorter than 3 meters (10 ft).”
We also did not want a landing or half-turn staircase, as it could no longer be covered under the gable roof on the UF if the attic should ever be converted.
The staircase should be separated from the living area – optionally by a large sliding door. When our son heads out with friends on a Saturday evening, we don’t want the whole group walking through the living room.
The lady of the house placed great importance on access from the dressing room to the bathroom – which was not easy to plan, especially combined with the sloped ceiling.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
No specific question. Our biggest concerns are the L-shaped staircase and the small overhang on the UF. The hallway on UF is also quite narrow at 1.13m (3 ft 8 in) in front of the bathroom. A straight staircase would take space from the master bedroom in the northwest, so we’d probably accept the current version with reservations.
We also debated for a long time how to unify the garage door position and passage door on UF. Currently, there is an open passage below, but the garage is attached to the house above. You want to be able to push a bike or scooter out of the garage without moving a car.
We are unsure about the window behind the couch: visually it seems almost necessary, direct sunlight should be blocked by the terrace roof, but in the evening you would have the entire property and street behind you. The couch also must be directly opposite the TV/wall unit (home cinema).
I’m afraid that was more than 130 characters...
Looking forward to your opinions!
Best regards
Plot size: Approx. 28x23m (92x75 ft), 644m² (6,931 ft²)
Slope: No
Floor space index (FSI): 0.35
Plot ratio: 0.5
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: See image, plot P53
Edge development: Garage, max. 9m (30 ft) per side, max. 15m (49 ft) total
Number of parking spaces
Number of floors: 1.5
Roof type: Gable roof, 42-48°
Style: "Classic"(?)
Orientation: 16° east, see also floor plan drawing
Maximum heights/limits: Max. wall height (from top plate to roof covering) = 4.2m (14 ft)
Additional requirements: Ridge running parallel to the street
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: See above
Basement, floors: No basement, 1.5 floors
Number and ages of occupants: 2 adults in their mid-30s, teenager 15 years old, girl 2 years old, possibly one more child planned
Space requirements on ground floor (GF) and upper floor (UF): As per plan, shower option on GF is important, study on GF should be adaptable as master bedroom in later years
Office: Family use or home office? Regular home office use by "him", room on GF additionally used as sewing room by "her"
Guest bedrooms per year: Few or none
Open or closed layout: Open living-dining-kitchen area, but without stairs in the living room
Traditional or modern construction: Somewhere in between
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open, preferably a freestanding island
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: No
Music/surround sound wall: Speakers for 5.1 system should be possible in the living room
Balcony, roof terrace: Not needed
Garage, carport: Double garage with space for workbench/bicycles
Utility garden, greenhouse: No
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, reasons for choices:
- Mandatory secondary bathroom with shower on GF
- Upper floor passage to garage roof desired: quick transfer of winter/summer clothes, for example
- Good sound insulation between rooms on UF
- Planning aimed to keep as much distance as possible from the street to the south and neighbor to the west (when sitting on the terrace)
- Dormer in the middle room on UF to have at least one room without a sloped ceiling
House Design
Designer: Do-it-yourself
What is liked most?
- Open living-dining-kitchen area
- With view over (almost) the entire plot (garden, driveway)
- Lots of storage / expansion options in attic of house and garage roof (to be accessible directly from UF)
- Dressing room as a passage into bathroom on UF
What is disliked?
All mostly small compromises in our eyes:
- Slightly longer route from kitchen to terrace
- Slightly longer route from entrance to pantry (groceries can also be delivered from front of kitchen)
- Upper floor hallway gets little natural daylight
- If entrance is separated as a windbreak, it is only about 1.8m (6 ft) deep (but we’d initially keep it open)
- Bathroom light on UF only from double casement window (above toilet)
Estimated price from
Personal price limit for house including fittings: +50k
Preferred heating technology: Heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details/expansions
- Could give up: Walk-in shower on UF (if necessary with glass door is OK), dormer on middle room UF, passage on UF to garage (with major regrets...)
- Cannot give up: Study on GF, shower bathroom on GF
Why did the design turn out the way it did? e.g.
Standard design from planner?
No, inspired by found floor plans, houses of acquaintances, many discussions between us.
Standard plans usually have an entrance on the north side, which makes no sense with access from the south as in our case. Since it wasn’t possible to sensibly integrate an entrance on the south side, it was moved to the side – aligned between house and garage.
At the same time, we wanted to keep as much garden as possible. Neither passersby in the south, nor the neighbor on the west “on top of us” when we sit on the terrace.
A small rule when planning the rooms was: “no walls shorter than 3 meters (10 ft).”
We also did not want a landing or half-turn staircase, as it could no longer be covered under the gable roof on the UF if the attic should ever be converted.
The staircase should be separated from the living area – optionally by a large sliding door. When our son heads out with friends on a Saturday evening, we don’t want the whole group walking through the living room.
The lady of the house placed great importance on access from the dressing room to the bathroom – which was not easy to plan, especially combined with the sloped ceiling.
What is the most important/fundamental question about the floor plan, summarized in 130 characters?
No specific question. Our biggest concerns are the L-shaped staircase and the small overhang on the UF. The hallway on UF is also quite narrow at 1.13m (3 ft 8 in) in front of the bathroom. A straight staircase would take space from the master bedroom in the northwest, so we’d probably accept the current version with reservations.
We also debated for a long time how to unify the garage door position and passage door on UF. Currently, there is an open passage below, but the garage is attached to the house above. You want to be able to push a bike or scooter out of the garage without moving a car.
We are unsure about the window behind the couch: visually it seems almost necessary, direct sunlight should be blocked by the terrace roof, but in the evening you would have the entire property and street behind you. The couch also must be directly opposite the TV/wall unit (home cinema).
I’m afraid that was more than 130 characters...
Looking forward to your opinions!
Best regards
Myrna_Loy schrieb:
I always find it amusing how many people here assume that at least one of the children will stay in the house. 🙂 This is not uncommon in rural areas. Rental apartments are scarce, and the house will eventually be inherited by a child anyway.
ChristianAusN schrieb:
General contractors as well as prefabricated house providers are probably out of the question for the planned owner participation, right?Not general contractors, ours was glad to have anything taken out of their scope 😉
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Myrna_Loy6 Oct 2021 12:21haydee schrieb:
This is not uncommon in rural areas. Rental apartments are scarce, and the house will eventually have a child anyway.I live in a rural area. Most of my friends are from rural areas, and NONE of us lived with our parents as adults. Considering that it feels like every second single-family house here is designed with an apartment for the children, this is still a rather rare case that I would not plan for.
ChristianAusN schrieb:
There was a 62.5cm (25 inches) recessed area for a living room wall unit (...) which I later converted on the side into the mentioned slope. Where exactly is "there"? – I thought the design was done DIY?
ChristianAusN schrieb:
General contractors as well as prefab home suppliers are probably ruled out given the planned owner involvement, right? Due to the complexity of connection details, I especially exclude the option of adding owner work before the completion of design phase 5, and I strongly recommend letting the planner also handle construction management.
Nemesis schrieb:
Not general contractors, ours was happy about everything that was removed. That often applies to so-called "mailbox" general contractors, at least in times of volatile market prices.
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And especially when the price was contractually fixed in advance based on a turnkey contract, but the credits for underperformance were not...
This way, the general contractor or subcontractor secures their profit margin and conveniently excludes one warranty risk after another, fully aware that, oddly enough, the total house price will not match the sum of all trades.
There is also a time risk because, even if there was a construction deadline guarantee, for each trade removed, they naturally allow only a minimal completion period without any buffer for scheduling and delivery times, and then extend the guaranteed construction time by the difference that inevitably occurs.
This way, the general contractor or subcontractor secures their profit margin and conveniently excludes one warranty risk after another, fully aware that, oddly enough, the total house price will not match the sum of all trades.
There is also a time risk because, even if there was a construction deadline guarantee, for each trade removed, they naturally allow only a minimal completion period without any buffer for scheduling and delivery times, and then extend the guaranteed construction time by the difference that inevitably occurs.