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Tacklekalle26 Jun 2011 20:20Hello, we have received an initial response from an architect (preliminary planning).
Basis:
120 m2 (bungalow, without basement, attic not converted, with a hipped roof)
Double garage (solid construction, approx. 6x8 m (20x26 feet), unfortunately also with a hipped roof)
Architect’s statement
Costs around €250,000 (he notes that interior fittings are not included)
This amount does not include the costs for landscaping, furnishings, or additional expenses such as planning fees, structural engineering, construction management, etc.
For additional expenses, you can expect approximately 15 to 20% of the construction costs.
We had been expecting around €200,000, but that the base or simple fittings would already cost this much really takes us by surprise.
This corresponds to a price per square meter of €250,000 / 120 m2 = €2,083.33
Is all of this correct!?
Basis:
120 m2 (bungalow, without basement, attic not converted, with a hipped roof)
Double garage (solid construction, approx. 6x8 m (20x26 feet), unfortunately also with a hipped roof)
Architect’s statement
Costs around €250,000 (he notes that interior fittings are not included)
This amount does not include the costs for landscaping, furnishings, or additional expenses such as planning fees, structural engineering, construction management, etc.
For additional expenses, you can expect approximately 15 to 20% of the construction costs.
We had been expecting around €200,000, but that the base or simple fittings would already cost this much really takes us by surprise.
This corresponds to a price per square meter of €250,000 / 120 m2 = €2,083.33
Is all of this correct!?
H
Häuslebauer4026 Jun 2011 21:54$250K for a 120 sqm (1300 sq ft) bungalow without a basement?
Sorry, but that sounds quite steep to me. Did you perhaps include gold-plated faucets or something?
Just for comparison: we are building a Rötzer brick panel house turnkey, including wall and floor work for $235K without a basement, but including the foundation slab. Also a bungalow, but with an attic. Living area is 161 sqm (1733 sq ft) plus 36 sqm (388 sq ft) of unfinished attic space.
Sorry, but that sounds quite steep to me. Did you perhaps include gold-plated faucets or something?
Just for comparison: we are building a Rötzer brick panel house turnkey, including wall and floor work for $235K without a basement, but including the foundation slab. Also a bungalow, but with an attic. Living area is 161 sqm (1733 sq ft) plus 36 sqm (388 sq ft) of unfinished attic space.
Hello,
How is one supposed to judge that without knowing the framework conditions? Neither the design nor the actually planned standard are known.
How does the architect justify the costs, which you consider to be too high?
Best regards
Tacklekalle schrieb:
Costs around €250,000
Tacklekalle schrieb:
Is all of that accurate!?
How is one supposed to judge that without knowing the framework conditions? Neither the design nor the actually planned standard are known.
How does the architect justify the costs, which you consider to be too high?
Best regards
B
Bauexperte27 Jun 2011 11:47Hello,
Based on the parameters you mentioned—with standard equipment included—you can expect costs for the slab foundation starting at around €175,000 (approximately $190,000) for a KfW 70 energy-efficient house. You should add typical building incidental costs of about €30,000–35,000 (approximately $32,500–38,000) as well as reserves for extras like a new kitchen.
Ask your architect how their calculation is made and what assumptions are included. A side question out of interest: why didn’t you do this right from the start?
Best regards
Tacklekalle schrieb:
120 m2 (bungalow, no basement, attic not converted with hipped roof)
Tacklekalle schrieb:A bungalow is always more expensive to build than a traditional detached house because everything has to be built on one level, which means, for example, the roof area is significantly larger.
Double garage (solid construction, approx. 6x8 m (20x26 feet), unfortunately also with a hipped roof)
Architect’s statement
Costs around €250,000 (equipment not included, he adds)
This amount does not include costs for exterior landscaping, interior fittings, or additional expenses for planning, structural engineering, construction management, etc. For these additional costs, you can expect about 15 to 20% of the building costs.
Based on the parameters you mentioned—with standard equipment included—you can expect costs for the slab foundation starting at around €175,000 (approximately $190,000) for a KfW 70 energy-efficient house. You should add typical building incidental costs of about €30,000–35,000 (approximately $32,500–38,000) as well as reserves for extras like a new kitchen.
Ask your architect how their calculation is made and what assumptions are included. A side question out of interest: why didn’t you do this right from the start?
Best regards
T
Tacklekalle27 Jun 2011 19:39@ Häuslebauer
No, according to the email, the architect is initially assuming a standard design!
@ E.Curb
About a week ago, my girlfriend and I visited this architect.
The initial meeting lasted only 20 minutes, and afterwards, in my opinion, we were made to feel like the conversation was over (Please leave. You will hear from me).
Topics covered during the 20 minutes:
About 125 m² (1,345 ft²) standard size, double garage (about 6x8 m (20x26 ft)), and nothing more he wanted to know. I also gave him the floor plan and zoning plan, and that was the end of the meeting.
And now, about a week later, this email:
So the price comes to around €250,000 (standard) + additional construction costs + planning, structural engineering & construction management. Have a nice Sunday!
No, according to the email, the architect is initially assuming a standard design!
@ E.Curb
About a week ago, my girlfriend and I visited this architect.
The initial meeting lasted only 20 minutes, and afterwards, in my opinion, we were made to feel like the conversation was over (Please leave. You will hear from me).
Topics covered during the 20 minutes:
About 125 m² (1,345 ft²) standard size, double garage (about 6x8 m (20x26 ft)), and nothing more he wanted to know. I also gave him the floor plan and zoning plan, and that was the end of the meeting.
And now, about a week later, this email:
So the price comes to around €250,000 (standard) + additional construction costs + planning, structural engineering & construction management. Have a nice Sunday!
T
Tacklekalle27 Jun 2011 19:46@ Bauexperte
I am currently waiting for a response from the first architect, who wanted to list the construction costs (all items with the share of material and estimated labor costs). The reason was that I had mentioned I wanted to do some work myself.
However, during the initial consultation, he somehow came up with 800 m³ (cubic meters) (I didn’t quite understand that—will ask about it next time).
Greetz
Kalle
I am currently waiting for a response from the first architect, who wanted to list the construction costs (all items with the share of material and estimated labor costs). The reason was that I had mentioned I wanted to do some work myself.
However, during the initial consultation, he somehow came up with 800 m³ (cubic meters) (I didn’t quite understand that—will ask about it next time).
Greetz
Kalle
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