ᐅ Finalizing the floor plan for a 130 m² bungalow designed for 4 people
Created on: 23 Jul 2019 08:00
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micric3
Hello,
we have finalized the floor plan for our project and tried to incorporate feedback/criticism from the previous thread. A new thread was also necessary to include relevant information in the initial post.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 1000 m² (10,764 sq ft)
External dimensions of the house: 16 m x 9.5 m (52.5 ft x 31.2 ft) (these were specified by the construction company to stay as close as possible to the budget)
Slope: No
Number of parking spaces: 0
Number of floors: Bungalow
Roof type: Hip roof, gable roof, or shed roof
Orientation: Entrance on the east, living room facing west, dining room facing southwest
Additional requirements: Must blend in with the existing building
Utility connections: Electricity and wastewater/water connections come from the driveway on the west side
Client requirements
Number of people, ages: 4 people (2 x 40 years, 2 x 3 years)
Office: In the outbuilding
Guests per year: Maximum 2
Open or closed layout: Open
Conservative or modern architectural style: Either
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Probably U-shaped kitchen, open to alternatives
Number of dining seats: Possibly 2–4 casual spots in the kitchen; otherwise 6–8 in the dining room
Fireplace: Yes, as a room divider between dining and living room
Garage, carport: On the driveway
House design
Who designed it:
- Based on the bungalow 131 floor plan from Town & Country
- Design planned independently using RoomSketcher
What do you particularly like? Why?
- Room layout (size)
- Room divider between kitchen, dining room, and living room (L-shape)
- No hallway
- Open area as a transition space between kitchen and living room
Cost estimate from architect/planner: 215,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: 250,000
Preferred heating system: Air-to-water heat pump (either Vaillant aroSplit or Vaillant FlexoCompact)
Why is the design as it is now?
- Dissatisfaction with the designs created in the old thread
Link to original thread: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Bungalow-Grundriss-16x9-5m-aussen-in-1000m-mit-Altbestand.31485/
we have finalized the floor plan for our project and tried to incorporate feedback/criticism from the previous thread. A new thread was also necessary to include relevant information in the initial post.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 1000 m² (10,764 sq ft)
External dimensions of the house: 16 m x 9.5 m (52.5 ft x 31.2 ft) (these were specified by the construction company to stay as close as possible to the budget)
Slope: No
Number of parking spaces: 0
Number of floors: Bungalow
Roof type: Hip roof, gable roof, or shed roof
Orientation: Entrance on the east, living room facing west, dining room facing southwest
Additional requirements: Must blend in with the existing building
Utility connections: Electricity and wastewater/water connections come from the driveway on the west side
Client requirements
Number of people, ages: 4 people (2 x 40 years, 2 x 3 years)
Office: In the outbuilding
Guests per year: Maximum 2
Open or closed layout: Open
Conservative or modern architectural style: Either
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Probably U-shaped kitchen, open to alternatives
Number of dining seats: Possibly 2–4 casual spots in the kitchen; otherwise 6–8 in the dining room
Fireplace: Yes, as a room divider between dining and living room
Garage, carport: On the driveway
House design
Who designed it:
- Based on the bungalow 131 floor plan from Town & Country
- Design planned independently using RoomSketcher
What do you particularly like? Why?
- Room layout (size)
- Room divider between kitchen, dining room, and living room (L-shape)
- No hallway
- Open area as a transition space between kitchen and living room
Cost estimate from architect/planner: 215,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: 250,000
Preferred heating system: Air-to-water heat pump (either Vaillant aroSplit or Vaillant FlexoCompact)
Why is the design as it is now?
- Dissatisfaction with the designs created in the old thread
Link to original thread: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Bungalow-Grundriss-16x9-5m-aussen-in-1000m-mit-Altbestand.31485/
@kaho674 That you also jump on the bandwagon... shame on you
I will respond to your main points in order:
1.) East facade
- The east side is "not visible" as it faces the neighbor with a "green wall" (3m (10 feet) distance)
- Therefore, how it looks from the inside is more important to me than the outside
2.) Sliding door(s) in the living room instead of 2 windows
- Indeed, I have considered this and also received visual feedback from Zaba
- However, no door element is needed (see point 1)
- I am open to suggestions here
3.) Bedroom/children’s room terrace door
- Obsolete (see point 1)
4.) Children’s room west
- The idea behind the 40cm (16 inches) sill height was that you can sit on the window ledge or have a surface area, compared to a floor-to-ceiling window
5.) The closed kitchen
- If you have children, you might understand (ypg maybe too)
- I probably wouldn’t have an issue with reducing the width
- It should still be a fully functional kitchen; with half the area, it would be smaller than one in a social housing unit
6.) Storage, utility room, guest toilet
- Pantry storage can be integrated directly into the kitchen and doesn’t require its own room
- I do not like the guest toilet inside the utility room
Alternative: place it between the two children’s rooms on the north side at the end of the corridor; then everyone would have to go through the private area, but compromises have to be made somewhere
- This would allow a niche in the utility room for the cloakroom (since the toilet door would be removed) and the entrance area could be reduced from 2m (6.5 feet) wide to 1.40m (4.6 feet). The bathroom could be moved to the left according to the plan and the west children’s room enlarged to compensate for the lost guest toilet space
7.) Attic
- As you pointed out, there is plenty of space; the idea of a space-saving staircase is good
Do you happen to have a link for Nordlys?
Thanks and good morning
I will respond to your main points in order:
1.) East facade
- The east side is "not visible" as it faces the neighbor with a "green wall" (3m (10 feet) distance)
- Therefore, how it looks from the inside is more important to me than the outside
2.) Sliding door(s) in the living room instead of 2 windows
- Indeed, I have considered this and also received visual feedback from Zaba
- However, no door element is needed (see point 1)
- I am open to suggestions here
3.) Bedroom/children’s room terrace door
- Obsolete (see point 1)
4.) Children’s room west
- The idea behind the 40cm (16 inches) sill height was that you can sit on the window ledge or have a surface area, compared to a floor-to-ceiling window
5.) The closed kitchen
- If you have children, you might understand (ypg maybe too)
- I probably wouldn’t have an issue with reducing the width
- It should still be a fully functional kitchen; with half the area, it would be smaller than one in a social housing unit
6.) Storage, utility room, guest toilet
- Pantry storage can be integrated directly into the kitchen and doesn’t require its own room
- I do not like the guest toilet inside the utility room
Alternative: place it between the two children’s rooms on the north side at the end of the corridor; then everyone would have to go through the private area, but compromises have to be made somewhere
- This would allow a niche in the utility room for the cloakroom (since the toilet door would be removed) and the entrance area could be reduced from 2m (6.5 feet) wide to 1.40m (4.6 feet). The bathroom could be moved to the left according to the plan and the west children’s room enlarged to compensate for the lost guest toilet space
7.) Attic
- As you pointed out, there is plenty of space; the idea of a space-saving staircase is good
Do you happen to have a link for Nordlys?
Thanks and good morning
micric3 schrieb:
@kaho674 that you are also jumping on the bandwagon .. shame on you
I will respond to your main points in chronological order:
1.) East facade
- the east side is "not visible" as it faces the neighbor with a "green wall" (3m (10 feet) distance)
- therefore, how it looks from the inside is more important to me than from the outside
2.) Living room sliding door(s) instead of 2 windows
- I have indeed thought about this and also received visual feedback from Zaba
- but a door element is not needed here (see point 1.)
- however, I am open to suggestions
3.) Bedroom/children’s room terrace door
- obsolete (see point 1.)
4.) West children’s room
- the idea behind the 40cm (16 inches) sill height was that you could sit on the windowsill or have a surface compared to a floor-to-ceiling window
5.) The closed kitchen
- if you have children, you might understand (ypg possibly as well)
- I probably wouldn’t have a problem with reducing the width
- however, it should still be a fully functional kitchen; with half the area it would be smaller than in a social housing unit
6.) Storage room, utility room, guest toilet
- pantry storage can be integrated directly into the kitchen and does not require a separate room
- I don’t like the guest toilet inside the utility room.
Alternative: place it between the two children’s rooms on the north side at the end of the hallway; everyone would have to pass through the private area, but compromises have to be made somewhere
- this would allow a niche in the utility room for the wardrobe (since the toilet door would be removed), and the entrance area could be reduced from 2m (6.5 feet) wide to 1.40m (4.5 feet)? Move the bathroom to the left on the plan and enlarge the west children’s room to regain the space lost from the guest toilet
7.) Attic
- as you mentioned, there is plenty of space there; the idea of a space-saving staircase is good
do you possibly have a link to Nordlys here?
Thanks and good morningRegarding the windows, I advised you to make a list. What are your advantages for this? Please do not say it’s cheaper, because what you save will cost you multiple times in depreciation!For example, I would never buy a house that mostly consists of fixed windows.
The renovation costs to change this are really high. We’re not just talking about wallpapering and repainting. This amounts to a major renovation, at least in the area of the windows!
Thank you. I will review the current plans again with pros and cons in https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissfinalisierung-Bungalow-130m-für-4-Personen.31746/page-23#post-351030.
micric3 schrieb:
@kaho674 that you still jump on the bandwagon .. shame on you You can complain all you want. The idea is so bad, it won’t improve just because you try to put me in some corner.
We’re just pointing it out to you. The fact that everyone builds differently could be a small hint, but you think you know better. It’s not an irreversible process—removing and replacing all the windows is expensive but doable. So go ahead and build.
I’ll be part of the popcorn crowd, completely shamelessly.
micric3 schrieb:
The closed kitchen
- if you have children, you might understand (ypg maybe too)Especially NOT then – I want to keep an eye on the little ones and not have to wonder why it suddenly got suspiciously quiet in the living room I can’t see...
A kitchen isn’t defined by its size but by good planning and efficient use of space. You have 16 square meters (about 172 square feet), but at least 6 square meters (about 65 square feet) are pure wasted space without added value. The spaciousness of the room can be enjoyed, as I said, only if it doesn’t matter whether you’re using 6 square meters (about 65 square feet) or not. You don’t have that luxury. That’s why people often choose an open kitchen—removing a wall also gains more space and allows the dining area to be integrated into the kitchen. With a separate kitchen, these areas remain divided and require more space overall. So you have to save space elsewhere.
8 to 10 square meters (about 86 to 108 square feet) are sufficient for a purely functional kitchen and can be well planned. But that’s the key point—this planning is completely missing. You have a hall but no concrete plan to fill it. Because of this, you waste a lot of your already tight square meters that are desperately needed elsewhere.
A kitchen with two parallel work lines is more ergonomic than an L-shaped kitchen—just a side note.
A guest toilet between the children's rooms??? Please no—things are really getting worse here. What kind of strange ideas are floating around in your heads???
Even if there’s a green wall to the east, in my opinion, floor-to-ceiling operable windows would be a better choice. But do as you wish. I can smell a resistance to advice here—any further words are probably useless.
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