ᐅ Final stage floor plan: Is there still potential for improvement?
Created on: 16 Apr 2018 22:14
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modder
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 606m² (6519 sq ft)
Slope: slight north-facing slope (3m (10 ft) over 34m (112 ft) length)
House: south-north = 1m (3 ft) height difference
Site occupancy index: 0.35 (212m² (2282 sq ft))
Floor area ratio: 0.40 (242m² (2605 sq ft))
Building envelope: marked in blue (approx. 11.8 x 14.5m (39 x 48 ft))
Boundary construction allowed: no
Parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: two full stories: ground floor + upper floor
Roof type: 38–42° (degrees) gable roof
Architectural style: traditional
Ridge orientation: south-north
Maximum heights / limits: northern eave-side wall height above natural ground level: 3.80m (12 ft 6 in)
Additional requirements: knee wall height from top of raw floor slab to bottom of wall plate 0.50m (70cm / 1 ft 8 in approx. inside)
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: all according to development plan
Basement, floors: basement + ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 28 (female), 30 (male), plus at least 1 planned child
Space needs in basement: hobby room, utility room, pantry/storage, sauna planned later
Space needs on ground floor: living room, dining + kitchen, WC, hallway
Space needs on upper floor: master bedroom, dressing room, child 1 + child 2, hallway, bathroom
Office: home office!
Overnight guests per year: 3 guests at Easter and Christmas
Closed architecture
Conservative construction style
Open kitchen connected to dining room
Number of dining seats: 5
Living room fireplace: wall-mounted ethanol fireplace
Music / stereo wall: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage or carport: single or double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other: hallway large enough to bring in and temporarily park a stroller, e.g., when it’s raining outside; staircase with 1m (3 ft 3 in) wide steps and easy to walk on (hence double landings); living room at least 4.5m (15 ft) wide; no direct connection between parents’ and children’s bedrooms; stairway not located in entryway dirt area; all interior doors with 985mm (39 in) clear opening; dining room: lift-and-slide door with 3m (10 ft) width
House Design
- Designer: do-it-yourself
- What do you particularly like about it? Why?
Double-landing staircase, kitchen and dining area facing south, circulation area on the north-east side; large glass window in dining room facing garden, G-shaped kitchen, enlargement of children’s rooms with dormer windows; hallway hopefully spacious-looking even though it could be a little wider
- What do you dislike? Why?
No room for a urinal in the ground floor bathroom
Basement not yet well planned, unsure how to properly separate a future sauna room
Personal budget limit for house including equipment: €425,000
- Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump / ground loop collector + mechanical ventilation with heat recovery + underfloor heating
If You Have to Give Up Anything, on which details / features
- Could give up: exposed roof structure
- Cannot give up: shower in ground floor WC; staircase with straight steps; stairway outside the dirt zone; wardrobe
Why is the Design Like It Is?
Lots of reading layout reviews here, input from builder friends; about 100 hours of drawing floor plans
- What makes it especially good or bad in your view?
In our opinion, very efficient use of space in a relatively small house, pleasant hallway layout
What Is the Most Important / Basic Question About the Floor Plan Summarized in 130 Characters?
Is this floor plan practical?
Are there any major issues or deal-breakers we might have overlooked?
Attached are our own drawings from SketchUp / site plan from the development plan
Our plot is number [9]
Note: Unfortunately, windows are missing on the upper floor. There are planned windows on the gable ends sized 150 x 138cm (59 x 54 in), dormer windows each approx. 200 x 138cm (79 x 54 in), and in the stairwell, master bedroom, and bathroom an additional double casement window sized 78 x 160cm (31 x 63 in)
Plot size: 606m² (6519 sq ft)
Slope: slight north-facing slope (3m (10 ft) over 34m (112 ft) length)
House: south-north = 1m (3 ft) height difference
Site occupancy index: 0.35 (212m² (2282 sq ft))
Floor area ratio: 0.40 (242m² (2605 sq ft))
Building envelope: marked in blue (approx. 11.8 x 14.5m (39 x 48 ft))
Boundary construction allowed: no
Parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: two full stories: ground floor + upper floor
Roof type: 38–42° (degrees) gable roof
Architectural style: traditional
Ridge orientation: south-north
Maximum heights / limits: northern eave-side wall height above natural ground level: 3.80m (12 ft 6 in)
Additional requirements: knee wall height from top of raw floor slab to bottom of wall plate 0.50m (70cm / 1 ft 8 in approx. inside)
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type: all according to development plan
Basement, floors: basement + ground floor + upper floor
Number of occupants, ages: 28 (female), 30 (male), plus at least 1 planned child
Space needs in basement: hobby room, utility room, pantry/storage, sauna planned later
Space needs on ground floor: living room, dining + kitchen, WC, hallway
Space needs on upper floor: master bedroom, dressing room, child 1 + child 2, hallway, bathroom
Office: home office!
Overnight guests per year: 3 guests at Easter and Christmas
Closed architecture
Conservative construction style
Open kitchen connected to dining room
Number of dining seats: 5
Living room fireplace: wall-mounted ethanol fireplace
Music / stereo wall: yes
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage or carport: single or double garage
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Other: hallway large enough to bring in and temporarily park a stroller, e.g., when it’s raining outside; staircase with 1m (3 ft 3 in) wide steps and easy to walk on (hence double landings); living room at least 4.5m (15 ft) wide; no direct connection between parents’ and children’s bedrooms; stairway not located in entryway dirt area; all interior doors with 985mm (39 in) clear opening; dining room: lift-and-slide door with 3m (10 ft) width
House Design
- Designer: do-it-yourself
- What do you particularly like about it? Why?
Double-landing staircase, kitchen and dining area facing south, circulation area on the north-east side; large glass window in dining room facing garden, G-shaped kitchen, enlargement of children’s rooms with dormer windows; hallway hopefully spacious-looking even though it could be a little wider
- What do you dislike? Why?
No room for a urinal in the ground floor bathroom
Basement not yet well planned, unsure how to properly separate a future sauna room
Personal budget limit for house including equipment: €425,000
- Preferred heating technology: air-to-water heat pump / ground loop collector + mechanical ventilation with heat recovery + underfloor heating
If You Have to Give Up Anything, on which details / features
- Could give up: exposed roof structure
- Cannot give up: shower in ground floor WC; staircase with straight steps; stairway outside the dirt zone; wardrobe
Why is the Design Like It Is?
Lots of reading layout reviews here, input from builder friends; about 100 hours of drawing floor plans
- What makes it especially good or bad in your view?
In our opinion, very efficient use of space in a relatively small house, pleasant hallway layout
What Is the Most Important / Basic Question About the Floor Plan Summarized in 130 Characters?
Is this floor plan practical?
Are there any major issues or deal-breakers we might have overlooked?
Attached are our own drawings from SketchUp / site plan from the development plan
Our plot is number [9]
Note: Unfortunately, windows are missing on the upper floor. There are planned windows on the gable ends sized 150 x 138cm (59 x 54 in), dormer windows each approx. 200 x 138cm (79 x 54 in), and in the stairwell, master bedroom, and bathroom an additional double casement window sized 78 x 160cm (31 x 63 in)
Baufie schrieb:
How is the upper floor bathroom supposed to be drained? Through the dining room? Not a silly question.
J
j.bautsch24 Apr 2018 12:18Aotearoa schrieb:
One very important point that hasn't been mentioned yet:
Does the freezer fit through the pantry door? It looks like it might not work.
In our previous rental apartment, no fridge-freezer would fit through the door. I can relate to that, the washing machine was supposed to go into the guest bathroom. The door was 3cm (1.2 inches) too narrow -.- Rental apartments, pfffff....
modder schrieb:
@ypg
Could you be a bit more specific? Too generous with the kitchen?Sure:
The sloped ceilings are far from smooth. Plus this low wall and the TV in front of the window... The staircase is a mix of a landing and is rotated again without the landing.
The kitchen is not at all user-friendly.
By now you have made quite a few changes, but it’s still a bit of a patchwork here and there in a standard floor plan that doesn’t really fit.
Going into detailed kitchen planning now doesn’t fix the errors mentioned; it only distracts from them.
In #102 you show an upper floor where the staircase doesn’t fit and the upper spiral part is simply omitted.
Ah, I see, those are the steps to the basement... sorry. Yes, that makes the design better! (I’ll leave my 3 lines here anyway)
The corner in the dining area greatly limits the placement options. According to Feng Shui, you are missing something in the wealth corner.
Straighten the corner, remove the partition wall and the window.
Between the kitchen run and the island, I would allow 100 to 110 cm (40 to 43 inches) because the main traffic path is in front of the island.
However, for better usability, I would place the tall cabinets along the kitchen run and mirror the pantry plus tall cabinets.
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Make the dormers cleaner and swap the sauna with the bathroom so that a) drainage is improved and b) (very important) the arrangement options for the toilet, shower and washbasin improve.
Move the door to the dressing room 60 cm (24 inches) further to the right (extending the hallway); this creates a nice shower niche at standing height in the bathroom, but also a slightly larger space under the sloped ceiling…
Yes, I think planning could continue in this direction.
@Baufie
Completely clear. It’s about the final stage of the floor plan design. So we need to find a suitable layout. It’s understood that the planning office will still make some adjustments to fit the technical installations.
A service shaft is located in the storage room—the black part. Also, it might be possible to extend upwards behind the wardrobe (underfloor heating, electrical). This small wall projection between the kitchen and dining area could also accommodate cables and pipes, up to 120x38cm (47x15 inches).
I’m not familiar with drainage, but I assumed that the 20x20cm (8x8 inches) shaft could be routed down along any wall (in the kitchen next to the countertop, in the living room between the sliding door and speaker, if that window corner is removed, then directly in the outermost corner under the toilet).
In my parents’ 30-year-old house, the drainage shaft also runs down directly at a corner in the dining room without pipe insulation. You only hear it when you are in the dining room and someone flushes the toilet upstairs or drains the bathtub. Washing or showering isn’t noticeable.
@Aotearoa
Very good point, we have to make sure the door is at least 75cm (30 inches) wide.
@ypg
Thanks for your detailed feedback. I really appreciate it.
We will probably do the Feng Shui corner; the disadvantages of the slant outweigh the benefits.
The partition wall is a small half wall that we would add later if needed. Definitely not full height. Katja already suggested just having some plants there, which is probably what we will do.
The passageway without the two cabinets is almost exactly 2.0m (6 ft 7 in). That’s definitely enough. We can decide on those extra 10cm (4 inches) later with the kitchen island.
The layout with the tall cabinets and pantry is interesting because we planned it on purpose this way to avoid blocking the corner when someone wants to access the fridge, or the heat hitting the body from the right side during dishwashing when the oven is on.
In the current plan, everyone can reach the fridge without having to walk around the island.
But we will definitely reconsider this.
Regarding the bathroom on the upper floor: Adding the sauna would mean losing the south-facing window in the bathroom. Currently, the sauna can have a view outside through the dormer or south window.
What do you mean by “cleaning up the dormers?” Removing them?
The washbasin placement is not ideal; I would prefer to swap the shower and washbasin. The toilet is well placed in the corner, isn’t it?
I don’t quite understand the issue with the shower. If the wall/door of the dressing room is moved, then the bedroom becomes too tight in front of the bed. There is currently about 1.35m (4 ft 5 in).
Again, many thanks to you all. It’s really fun to read and incorporate all the opinions and suggestions.
Completely clear. It’s about the final stage of the floor plan design. So we need to find a suitable layout. It’s understood that the planning office will still make some adjustments to fit the technical installations.
A service shaft is located in the storage room—the black part. Also, it might be possible to extend upwards behind the wardrobe (underfloor heating, electrical). This small wall projection between the kitchen and dining area could also accommodate cables and pipes, up to 120x38cm (47x15 inches).
I’m not familiar with drainage, but I assumed that the 20x20cm (8x8 inches) shaft could be routed down along any wall (in the kitchen next to the countertop, in the living room between the sliding door and speaker, if that window corner is removed, then directly in the outermost corner under the toilet).
In my parents’ 30-year-old house, the drainage shaft also runs down directly at a corner in the dining room without pipe insulation. You only hear it when you are in the dining room and someone flushes the toilet upstairs or drains the bathtub. Washing or showering isn’t noticeable.
@Aotearoa
Very good point, we have to make sure the door is at least 75cm (30 inches) wide.
@ypg
Thanks for your detailed feedback. I really appreciate it.
We will probably do the Feng Shui corner; the disadvantages of the slant outweigh the benefits.
The partition wall is a small half wall that we would add later if needed. Definitely not full height. Katja already suggested just having some plants there, which is probably what we will do.
The passageway without the two cabinets is almost exactly 2.0m (6 ft 7 in). That’s definitely enough. We can decide on those extra 10cm (4 inches) later with the kitchen island.
The layout with the tall cabinets and pantry is interesting because we planned it on purpose this way to avoid blocking the corner when someone wants to access the fridge, or the heat hitting the body from the right side during dishwashing when the oven is on.
In the current plan, everyone can reach the fridge without having to walk around the island.
But we will definitely reconsider this.
Regarding the bathroom on the upper floor: Adding the sauna would mean losing the south-facing window in the bathroom. Currently, the sauna can have a view outside through the dormer or south window.
What do you mean by “cleaning up the dormers?” Removing them?
The washbasin placement is not ideal; I would prefer to swap the shower and washbasin. The toilet is well placed in the corner, isn’t it?
I don’t quite understand the issue with the shower. If the wall/door of the dressing room is moved, then the bedroom becomes too tight in front of the bed. There is currently about 1.35m (4 ft 5 in).
Again, many thanks to you all. It’s really fun to read and incorporate all the opinions and suggestions.
modder schrieb:
or it gets hot on the body when washing from the right side, if the oven is turned on.Since when is the oven hot on the outside? No, this is about the ergonomic work triangle. You would always have to leave it... not practical. And this applies every day, at least for the refrigerator.
modder schrieb:
What do you mean by "Gauben clean ziehen?" throw out?straighten, align
A quick sketch for the bathroom/dressing area, since the current situation with the shower area is not practical and the dressing space is just fragmented:
As for the bathtub, you’ll have to check it, this is just copied 1:1
Cool idea with the shower niche. There would even be room for a towel cabinet under the sloped ceiling. We’ll take a look at it this evening.
The sauna is still a problem because it blocks the south side. In the morning, when the sun rises, there is hardly any natural light in the bathroom.
The gables are symmetrical on the roof, only the windows have different widths.
The sauna is still a problem because it blocks the south side. In the morning, when the sun rises, there is hardly any natural light in the bathroom.
The gables are symmetrical on the roof, only the windows have different widths.
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