ᐅ Fall Protection for Floor-to-Ceiling Windows with External Thermal Insulation Composite System (ETICS)
Created on: 25 Jan 2022 15:58
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Stephan—
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have a tip or idea which system could be suitable for the mentioned window issue or has already implemented something like this?
I would like to have a proper pre-installation done before attaching the external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) / external wall insulation, to avoid thermal bridges or any other problems later on.
PS: It should be a French balcony. Ideally without (hard to describe) fastening where water continuously runs down the facade and over the years causes black streaks. (I’m against facade attachments). ;-)
Two terrace windows, each 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in) wide, need protection, and no, I don’t want fixed glazing on the lower part (that’s difficult to clean from the outside).
Does anyone have a tip or idea which system could be suitable for the mentioned window issue or has already implemented something like this?
I would like to have a proper pre-installation done before attaching the external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) / external wall insulation, to avoid thermal bridges or any other problems later on.
PS: It should be a French balcony. Ideally without (hard to describe) fastening where water continuously runs down the facade and over the years causes black streaks. (I’m against facade attachments). ;-)
Two terrace windows, each 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in) wide, need protection, and no, I don’t want fixed glazing on the lower part (that’s difficult to clean from the outside).
Sorry, but that’s really nothing significant. What budget do you have in mind for your desired "pre-installation"?
How do you plan to attach a "non-anchored" French balcony to the facade, where water cannot run off properly?
Build it into the reveal! It looks better than those prison-bar-like grills on the facade anyway (although it tends to be more expensive, just a heads-up ;-))
But unfortunately, it also requires mounting hardware ;-)
How do you plan to attach a "non-anchored" French balcony to the facade, where water cannot run off properly?
Build it into the reveal! It looks better than those prison-bar-like grills on the facade anyway (although it tends to be more expensive, just a heads-up ;-))
But unfortunately, it also requires mounting hardware ;-)
Maybe sarcasm 🙂
That brings me to my initial question: is it possible to achieve this without later drip edges, without drilling through the ETICS (external thermal insulation composite system) afterwards, and using a mesh instead of glass in front of the glass?
If the answer is "no," then I have to accept that and choose the best option for me among the available variants. It would have been nice if one system could cover all three requirements.
Is adhesive not also a fastening material? xD
That brings me to my initial question: is it possible to achieve this without later drip edges, without drilling through the ETICS (external thermal insulation composite system) afterwards, and using a mesh instead of glass in front of the glass?
If the answer is "no," then I have to accept that and choose the best option for me among the available variants. It would have been nice if one system could cover all three requirements.
Is adhesive not also a fastening material? xD
Stephan— schrieb:
Is adhesive not also a type of fastening material? xDThe other day, Aldi had ratchet straps...
Stephan— schrieb:
I like sarcasm 🙂Here you go 🙂
Stephan— schrieb:
That’s where my original question comes from: whether it’s possible to install without later drip edges, without having to drill through the external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) afterward, and using mesh instead of glass in front of the glass?Maybe someone will come up with an idea. Who knows.
By the way, even in solid masonry, an anchor reduces thermal insulation, although it doesn’t fully bridge it (as it would with ETICS without a thermally broken anchor).
There are installation boxes, device carriers, and mounting plates that can be attached directly during the ETICS installation instead of using anchors afterward. Maybe that suits you better? But I have no idea if that is suitable for fall protection.
The fall protection and its anchoring must be able to hold a fully grown person in the event of a fall.
I would also prefer to anchor it well deep into the reveal. However, sometimes the reveal is too narrow for this due to the installation plane of the window (which is usually quite far forward with external insulation systems).
So, if I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the safety device should be anchored into the masonry before installing the external insulation system, and then the insulation would essentially be applied around it?
I believe that approach might cause problems.
To prevent drip marks, the design of the fall protection should ensure that the drip edge is clearly directed away from the façade. In other words, there should be a “planned breaking point” further out where the water naturally runs off.
I’m not sure if this is already taken into account by manufacturers who specifically produce such solutions.
Nonetheless, it’s an interesting thought that I will also consider for my own fall protection.
I would also prefer to anchor it well deep into the reveal. However, sometimes the reveal is too narrow for this due to the installation plane of the window (which is usually quite far forward with external insulation systems).
So, if I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting that the safety device should be anchored into the masonry before installing the external insulation system, and then the insulation would essentially be applied around it?
I believe that approach might cause problems.
To prevent drip marks, the design of the fall protection should ensure that the drip edge is clearly directed away from the façade. In other words, there should be a “planned breaking point” further out where the water naturally runs off.
I’m not sure if this is already taken into account by manufacturers who specifically produce such solutions.
Nonetheless, it’s an interesting thought that I will also consider for my own fall protection.
So, I would use appropriately decoupled wall anchor systems for ETICS and have the flashing installed with a slight slope away from the window. This should cause the water to run off the facade and drip off the lower edge of the flashing. This, of course, only applies if installation within the reveal is not possible due to the reveal’s depth in front of the window being too shallow, as I suspect.
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