Hello everyone,
My partner and I are currently starting to plan our house, which is why I joined this forum. We have purchased a plot in a new development area. However, the zoning plan does not allow flat roofs, even though that is our preferred design. All attempts to convince the building authority and the municipal council have failed. The zoning plan permits all roof types with a pitch between 15° and 45°. The wall heights measured from the base to the eaves are 5.5 m (18 feet) for gable and hip roofs, and 7.5 m (25 feet) for shed roofs. To me, this seems somewhat illogical. Since the plot is almost flat, with a 5.5 m (18 feet) wall height, it’s not possible to have two full stories without sloping ceilings. Ideally, I don’t want the roof to be visible from the outside. With a shed roof, two full stories are easily possible because of the 7.5 m (25 feet) wall height.
My question is:
What do you think about planning a staggered shed roof with a 15° pitch and a wall height up to the eaves of 6 m (20 feet) — allowing for two full stories — and then extending the exterior wall up to 7.5 m (25 feet)? This way, from the outside, it would visually look like a flat roof building, but inside there would be a shed roof, visible only from above. Do you think it would be possible to get such a design approved? Is it allowed to extend the walls beyond the eaves?
Thank you very much for your feedback.
Best regards,
bauherr85
My partner and I are currently starting to plan our house, which is why I joined this forum. We have purchased a plot in a new development area. However, the zoning plan does not allow flat roofs, even though that is our preferred design. All attempts to convince the building authority and the municipal council have failed. The zoning plan permits all roof types with a pitch between 15° and 45°. The wall heights measured from the base to the eaves are 5.5 m (18 feet) for gable and hip roofs, and 7.5 m (25 feet) for shed roofs. To me, this seems somewhat illogical. Since the plot is almost flat, with a 5.5 m (18 feet) wall height, it’s not possible to have two full stories without sloping ceilings. Ideally, I don’t want the roof to be visible from the outside. With a shed roof, two full stories are easily possible because of the 7.5 m (25 feet) wall height.
My question is:
What do you think about planning a staggered shed roof with a 15° pitch and a wall height up to the eaves of 6 m (20 feet) — allowing for two full stories — and then extending the exterior wall up to 7.5 m (25 feet)? This way, from the outside, it would visually look like a flat roof building, but inside there would be a shed roof, visible only from above. Do you think it would be possible to get such a design approved? Is it allowed to extend the walls beyond the eaves?
Thank you very much for your feedback.
Best regards,
bauherr85
I find it very interesting that the mayor promises to enforce your individual interest against valid decisions. All I can say is: Good thing that doesn’t work out. It seems the mayor cared more about his own position (or he sobered up just in time).
Is your right of return subject to deadlines? Is it documented on paper, or is it just another promise from the mayor?
Who reimburses the incidental purchase costs?
To me, this sounds more like theoretical talk. I would assume it’s a small community. They must be doing well if they develop land, sell it, and then cannot use the collected money because there are still claims for repayment outstanding...
Is your right of return subject to deadlines? Is it documented on paper, or is it just another promise from the mayor?
Who reimburses the incidental purchase costs?
To me, this sounds more like theoretical talk. I would assume it’s a small community. They must be doing well if they develop land, sell it, and then cannot use the collected money because there are still claims for repayment outstanding...
bauherr85 schrieb:
The wall heights measured from the base to the eaves are 5.5 meters (18 feet) for gable and hip roofs, and 7.5 meters (25 feet) for a shed roof. That seems somewhat illogical to me. Since the plot is almost flat, with 5.5 meters (18 feet) I cannot fit two full stories without sloping ceilings. And I actually don’t want to see the roof from the outside.1.A diagonal, low-pitched gable roof—that is, a diagonal ridge—could still be an option…
It definitely attracts attention.
Whether it provides enough story height is another question.
2.
Or a shed roof with a rotated ridge.
Search for: BR Dream Houses Season 5.
P.S.: A roof is a roof… if it includes the waterproofing layer. That is not the case with roof sails.
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bauherr8520 Sep 2016 16:56@Jochen104
I called the building authority this morning to clarify this issue. The clear statement was:
The eaves on a single-sloped shed roof are always on the side where the roofing surface reaches its lowest point.
The natural terrain slope only applies to the side with the eaves. The other side is referred to as the "gable" at the intersection with the wall, even for a shed roof, and is only restricted by the total height of the house.
I called the building authority this morning to clarify this issue. The clear statement was:
The eaves on a single-sloped shed roof are always on the side where the roofing surface reaches its lowest point.
The natural terrain slope only applies to the side with the eaves. The other side is referred to as the "gable" at the intersection with the wall, even for a shed roof, and is only restricted by the total height of the house.
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bauherr8520 Sep 2016 17:03@Alex85
Yes, the mayor’s verbal promise meant nothing once the town council openly discussed it. I have to accept that, no problem.
The right of return does not apply only to the buyer; it is clearly stated in the notarized purchase agreement and deed that the municipality is obliged to refund the full purchase price. Of course, this excludes ancillary purchase costs, which I would have to cover myself. But that’s not a big deal. It is even regulated that I must start construction within the next 3 years; otherwise, the building plot automatically reverts to the municipality with a refund of the purchase price. It’s basically a building obligation for the buyer, to ensure the new development area is built up fairly quickly and that plots don’t remain undeveloped for years. Everything is notarized!
Yes, the mayor’s verbal promise meant nothing once the town council openly discussed it. I have to accept that, no problem.
The right of return does not apply only to the buyer; it is clearly stated in the notarized purchase agreement and deed that the municipality is obliged to refund the full purchase price. Of course, this excludes ancillary purchase costs, which I would have to cover myself. But that’s not a big deal. It is even regulated that I must start construction within the next 3 years; otherwise, the building plot automatically reverts to the municipality with a refund of the purchase price. It’s basically a building obligation for the buyer, to ensure the new development area is built up fairly quickly and that plots don’t remain undeveloped for years. Everything is notarized!
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bauherr8520 Sep 2016 17:08@Otus11
Thank you for your constructive contribution. I have looked at the house on BR. Unfortunately, there is also a regulation in the development plan regarding this:
"4. Building orientation
The buildings must be oriented with the eaves side or gable end (not diagonally) facing the respective street."
Thank you for your constructive contribution. I have looked at the house on BR. Unfortunately, there is also a regulation in the development plan regarding this:
"4. Building orientation
The buildings must be oriented with the eaves side or gable end (not diagonally) facing the respective street."
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