ᐅ Exposed Roof Structure – Where Should the Vapor Retarder Be Installed?

Created on: 23 Jun 2018 11:52
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Snowy36
It’s me again…..

A brief recap: we are building a KFW 55 house through individual contracts with a construction supervisor.

We have exclusively chosen local suppliers, some of which have been in business for three generations. I mention this because it’s reasonable to expect they know what they’re doing and have solid experience.

We have an exposed timber roof frame insulated with wood fiber insulation boards from Gutex. The roof is installed but not yet covered with the final roofing material.

Yesterday, the building inspector came and asked us about the roof structure. We explained it to him, and he suggested we check with the Central Association of German Carpenters to determine the required performance class (I assume it’s class 3 since the standard roof pitch would have been 28 degrees, and ours is 19 degrees), and of course, the roof is part of the living space.

We looked into how a roof like this should be constructed and read that a vapor retarder and a nail sealing tape must be used.

Here is our build-up:

On top of our spruce multilayer panels, we installed an Alujet Professional JKE underlay membrane, then the 20 mm (0.8 inch) wood fiber boards, followed by a hardwood multiplex plywood board, and then, overlapped, another layer of Alujet Professional JKE, and finally the counter battens.

We are annoyed that we didn’t receive any nail sealing tape, but maybe this is acceptable due to the use of the Multiplex plywood. What I’m more concerned about is: where exactly is the vapor retarder? The Alujet Professional JKE doesn’t seem to have that function.

We have now sent an email asking the carpenter for clarification, but I’m afraid, as often happens, we’ll just be reassured without real answers…..

Unfortunately, the roof construction is specified exactly like this in the contract…..but as a layperson, you wouldn’t know that it might be wrong…..
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Knallkörper
24 Jun 2018 08:35
If the 3-layer panels are installed airtight and connected airtight everywhere, it will probably work. Still, it is unclear why a vapor retarder was not used.
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Snowy36
24 Jun 2018 09:28
I don’t understand it either... the person who could explain it to us only sends emails saying we are being smart alecks.

I’m spending a lot of money on this, so I want to know what and why something was installed... The site manager wasn’t too happy about us making such a fuss either, after all, the carpenter is not building his first roof frame...

But if something happens, it will be years later, and then I will be the one dealing with the problems...

We have now contacted the manufacturer and our building inspector...
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Snowy36
25 Jun 2018 12:38
Sleepless weekend behind me.....

After kindly asking the carpenter again, we were told that our vapor retarder is vapor permeable because we have vapor-permeable insulation.
The manufacturer of the wood fiber boards said the 3-ply panel can serve as the vapor retarder if there is airtightness behind it using the Alujet membrane. However, it depends on the SD value of the 3-ply panel. Based on the assumed value from the company, we would mathematically fall just below the required level. Also, the manufacturer’s instructions for the Alujet should have been followed in the assembly, and these specify the use of nail sealing tape.
The carpenter is now contacting the wood fiber board manufacturer. He uses this assembly method on all roof trusses with exposed sheathing.
I basically need a calculation to confirm whether this setup is adequate and an extended warranty from the carpenter.
I’m so fed up, can’t something just run smoothly for once…
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Knallkörper
25 Jun 2018 14:00
Unfortunately, this is not unusual. Our architect (!) never really understood the principle of dew point calculation and how it relates to vapor retarder resistances.
Snowy36 schrieb:
for us, the vapor retarder is vapor permeable because we have a vapor-permeable insulation.

By definition, a vapor permeable vapor retarder cannot exist. It doesn't help the insulation if it itself is vapor permeable because if the dew point is inside the insulation layer, liquid water will constantly form there and the insulation will become saturated. Mineral wool is also vapor permeable...

Perhaps you could consider double drywalling on the inside to increase the vapor resistance on the interior side.
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Snowy36
25 Jun 2018 14:54
Knallkörper schrieb:


Maybe you could double-board the interior to increase the vapor resistance on the inside.

But then I wouldn’t have an exposed rafter ceiling anymore....

We are waiting for feedback from the carpenter and the manufacturer of the board......
11ant25 Jun 2018 15:36
Snowy36 schrieb:
Then I wouldn’t have a visible roof truss anymore....

That’s not true anyway, since a roof that looks uninsulated from below after more than forty years is impossible.
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