Hello, a small family from Bavaria dreaming of their own home... A few years ago, I wanted to renovate a house from the 1970s, completely gut it and update it to modern standards (trained HVAC technician)... Nowadays, I believe (due to house prices) building new almost comes out the same price and you get something brand new... We are considering building a solid (masonry) house fully finished (Turnkey), (Town & Country, etc.)
The land is quite secure...
The question is turnkey or shell house (more money vs. more time invested)
Doing work yourself is definitely a must for me, every tradesperson understands that... (either way, the question is to what extent)
Plumbing, heating, electrical would be no problem... I can also do tiling, drywall, have a screeding contractor, master electrician, and plasterer available...
I also think that with self-building you can avoid poor workmanship by observing drying times, selecting materials carefully, etc.
My question is, who has already extensively completed a shell house themselves...
Is there a comparison to a turnkey offer? (savings)
Does anyone have a list of all the tasks for self-performed work in a shell house? (for budgeting)
Would anyone later prefer to build turnkey with some self-performed work?
You don’t read much here about shell houses... but maybe there is a tradesperson here who has wrestled with the same considerations...
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We don’t really have any time pressure as we currently live rent-free, but we want something of our own, and if that’s the case, we would spend every free minute working on it. Of course, no one can replace the time you then don’t get to spend with your family...
I’m looking forward to your answers!
The land is quite secure...
The question is turnkey or shell house (more money vs. more time invested)
Doing work yourself is definitely a must for me, every tradesperson understands that... (either way, the question is to what extent)
Plumbing, heating, electrical would be no problem... I can also do tiling, drywall, have a screeding contractor, master electrician, and plasterer available...
I also think that with self-building you can avoid poor workmanship by observing drying times, selecting materials carefully, etc.
My question is, who has already extensively completed a shell house themselves...
Is there a comparison to a turnkey offer? (savings)
Does anyone have a list of all the tasks for self-performed work in a shell house? (for budgeting)
Would anyone later prefer to build turnkey with some self-performed work?
You don’t read much here about shell houses... but maybe there is a tradesperson here who has wrestled with the same considerations...
...
We don’t really have any time pressure as we currently live rent-free, but we want something of our own, and if that’s the case, we would spend every free minute working on it. Of course, no one can replace the time you then don’t get to spend with your family...
I’m looking forward to your answers!
Nordlys schrieb:
Yvonne, you are being too negative. Most people here in the forum are planners, but in the new residential areas of Schleswig Holstein, there are plenty of self-builders.
With your knowledge and contacts, here’s what I would do: Talk to a master mason who can design and estimate the shell construction for you, ideally including the roof and windows. Then take over the rest yourself. Local banks and savings banks will also finance this based on invoices and photos of the construction progress, as long as you have a good relationship. Warranty? Don’t worry about it. Your firefighter friend won’t cut corners with you, and if he does, you don’t need paperwork to convince him to fix it. It’s a matter of honor.
My neighbor just across the street built a proud house here for 150,000, in only 7 to 8 months. How else is a journeyman carpenter supposed to get a house? It’s all or nothing. K. My best friends are master masons… I’ve thought about that too, but I just don’t want to rely on acquaintances or feel obligated to them in any way…
pffreestyler schrieb:
In our new development, every second house is built that tall. But for about 90% of these people, the word "forum" is more or less a foreign term. That’s why you rarely read about such a project here. That’s true. These are the people who manage without the internet and smartphones. I know people like that too. Haha. I mean, they are not that rare, and they are quite approachable. They just aren’t here and don’t seek internet advice. They also don’t have rain showers because they don’t even know such things exist. I’m speaking of myself from six years ago.
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pffreestyler10 Dec 2019 19:39Ragnarök schrieb:
My best friends are master masons... I’ve thought about that too, but I just don’t want to rely on acquaintances or feel obligated to ask them for favors... That’s perfect. Projects like these quickly show the true value of a friendship and who you can really depend on. ypg schrieb:
True. These are people who still manage without the internet and smartphones. I know people like that too. Haha. Actually, they’re not that rare and quite approachable. They just aren’t here and don’t seek advice online. That’s why they don’t have a rain shower head, because they don’t even know such things exist. I’m talking about myself from six years ago. No, all mid/late 20s, very fond of smartphones and also online. Still no connection to forums. Unlike me, they do have a rain shower head. Here, people build by the motto “We’ve always done it this way.” There is no real understanding or drive to research things for themselves. Hmm, somehow sounds like “happy hillbillies.” ^^
pffreestyler schrieb:
It's perfect. In projects like these, you quickly see the true value of friendship and who you can really count on.
No, all are in their mid to late 20s, very attached to their phones and also active online. Still, no connection to forums. A rain shower, unlike me, is also available here. The approach is basically "We've always done it this way." There is neither the understanding nor the drive to inform oneself independently.
Hmm, sounds like "happy backwoods people" or something like that ^^ No..... something's not right!