We are currently looking for a kitchen for our new build, which is scheduled to start in 2021. Nothing extravagant. Our first two visits to kitchen showrooms resulted in prices of at least 15,000 euros (around $16,000 USD), plus the side-by-side refrigerator that we plan to buy ourselves.
We are a bit surprised that for just a few pieces of furniture and three appliances (dishwasher, cooktop with fan, oven) we have to pay at least 15,000 euros. The consultants actually expected around 20,000 euros. The countertop is not even ceramic but rather granite.
Are there other options to purchase an affordable kitchen?
Please don’t get me wrong. We could afford such a kitchen. We just don’t see why we should spend 20,000 euros on a few furniture pieces and appliances.
We are a bit surprised that for just a few pieces of furniture and three appliances (dishwasher, cooktop with fan, oven) we have to pay at least 15,000 euros. The consultants actually expected around 20,000 euros. The countertop is not even ceramic but rather granite.
Are there other options to purchase an affordable kitchen?
Please don’t get me wrong. We could afford such a kitchen. We just don’t see why we should spend 20,000 euros on a few furniture pieces and appliances.
@Alessandro You’re not thinking your scenario all the way through. If more Polish craftsmen get more jobs from other places, they will need more workers who then have to be paid better. The better-paid Polish workers will then buy more German pork and German cars and maybe eventually German kitchens, because they are more affordable (= maybe not priced lower, but higher quality, more stylish, or whatever) and so on...
Personally, I find German cars already too expensive (except for VW when leasing).
It’s actually interesting why there isn’t a bigger market for used kitchens. Someone should come up with a way to assemble kitchens from lots of used parts that fit into new rooms. The countertop could still be new...
Personally, I find German cars already too expensive (except for VW when leasing).
It’s actually interesting why there isn’t a bigger market for used kitchens. Someone should come up with a way to assemble kitchens from lots of used parts that fit into new rooms. The countertop could still be new...
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Alessandro26 Oct 2020 13:38I don’t know if they are paid better. A roofer here in Germany doesn’t earn much more either, even though their order books are fully booked for the next 3 years.
I also don’t earn more, even though our company achieved a 15% increase in sales (and 15% EBIT) in 2020.
Even if that were the case: what use is it to me if the Polish person buys German cars, but I need someone to repair my heating before winter and all the German installers have more or less gone bankrupt?
I also don’t earn more, even though our company achieved a 15% increase in sales (and 15% EBIT) in 2020.
Even if that were the case: what use is it to me if the Polish person buys German cars, but I need someone to repair my heating before winter and all the German installers have more or less gone bankrupt?
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pagoni202026 Oct 2020 13:41Alessandro schrieb:
I once had a conversation with a freegan (someone who lives off discarded food and scavenging).
He seriously claimed that you really don’t need money to get by because, for example, market vendors at the weekly market always give away or donate something.
However, he didn’t quite understand that these vendors can only give away something because they have jobs. Your examples aren’t really improving... I think the indigenous peoples in the Brazilian rainforest should also finally be more grateful that we are now economically utilizing their otherwise idle forest.
That sounds like mediocre know-it-all behavior without really understanding the actual conditions in these social groups. That’s how people also get to know the Ritter family... from TV on their leather sofa..., even though you could meet them in person and perhaps even help them... if you really wanted to.
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Alessandro26 Oct 2020 13:47Oh man @pagoni2020
Do you want to dissect every EXAMPLE I give in detail? Are examples even allowed anymore, or do we always have to back up everything with statistics?
I just wanted to say that some people simply don’t think about why things can happen the way they do!
IF EVERYONE THOUGHT LIKE THIS FREEGAN, OUR ECONOMY WOULD NOT WORK! That was the point! Do you understand that? The freegan didn’t get it!
If someone doesn’t own something that they have either earned or purchased beforehand, they can’t just give it away!
This has nothing to do with my interpretation or with me having to explain nonsense to indigenous tribes in the rainforest!
I have nothing against welfare recipients or these freegans.
Do you want to dissect every EXAMPLE I give in detail? Are examples even allowed anymore, or do we always have to back up everything with statistics?
I just wanted to say that some people simply don’t think about why things can happen the way they do!
IF EVERYONE THOUGHT LIKE THIS FREEGAN, OUR ECONOMY WOULD NOT WORK! That was the point! Do you understand that? The freegan didn’t get it!
If someone doesn’t own something that they have either earned or purchased beforehand, they can’t just give it away!
This has nothing to do with my interpretation or with me having to explain nonsense to indigenous tribes in the rainforest!
I have nothing against welfare recipients or these freegans.
If you don’t benefit from your employer’s success, you need to negotiate better or consider changing employers. Or not, but don’t assume others are the same as you. It’s also possible that your supervisor thinks you don’t contribute significantly to that success.
It should be clear that an ongoing fiction doesn’t develop from one year to the next. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be fiction but a utopia.
Regarding no more German craftsmen, it would either mean that a few remain who can charge exorbitant prices due to high demand, or then highly mobile and technologically advanced Romanians—who have already replaced the now overpriced Czech heating technicians—will repair your heating in winter by drone. And you won’t even notice because the heating system reported the defect before your comfort temperature was reached.
But first, you’ll need to get rid of your Brötje! ;oP
It should be clear that an ongoing fiction doesn’t develop from one year to the next. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be fiction but a utopia.
Regarding no more German craftsmen, it would either mean that a few remain who can charge exorbitant prices due to high demand, or then highly mobile and technologically advanced Romanians—who have already replaced the now overpriced Czech heating technicians—will repair your heating in winter by drone. And you won’t even notice because the heating system reported the defect before your comfort temperature was reached.
But first, you’ll need to get rid of your Brötje! ;oP
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Alessandro26 Oct 2020 14:17My employer withholds the money to avoid having to put the workforce on short-time work during times like these, if that ever becomes necessary.
I don’t assume others are like me. Do you know any employed craftsmen whose wages increase proportionally to the prices of the houses they build? Honestly, I don’t.
Otherwise, the trades wouldn’t be struggling so desperately to find new talent...
I think someone needs to understand the Brötje first before I can get rid of it.
I don’t assume others are like me. Do you know any employed craftsmen whose wages increase proportionally to the prices of the houses they build? Honestly, I don’t.
Otherwise, the trades wouldn’t be struggling so desperately to find new talent...
I think someone needs to understand the Brötje first before I can get rid of it.
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