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jens.knoedel2 Jan 2024 21:24xMisterDx schrieb:
A reasonable battery enables a range of more than 1,000 km (620 miles) under WLTP Nonsense. Why does a "reasonable" battery have to provide such ranges that 90% of all gasoline/diesel cars don’t even reach, and that 90% of people don’t need to cover in one go anyway (thanks to fast refueling)? A reasonable battery should be comparable to a petrol/diesel car. For a city car, 350 km (220 miles) range is enough, and for a business vehicle, 800 km (500 miles) suffice.
xMisterDx schrieb:
charges from 10 to 80% in under 30 minutes. That is already state of the art with modern batteries today. I tested it myself with the ID7 – from 10 to 80% in under 30 minutes (I will order it as a GTX wagon once available). Take a look at the new CATL Shenxing batteries. They are already being installed this year – theoretically, they can be charged 4 times from 0 to 100% within an hour. No need to wait for solid-state batteries. Ten minutes from 10 to 80% charging will be available this year already – just like refueling at a gas station.
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chand19862 Jan 2024 22:08xMisterDx schrieb:
A decent battery offers a range of more than 1,000 km (620 miles) under the WLTP cycle and can charge from 10% to 80% in under 30 minutes. The Japanese are working on something like this; Toyota aims to have a production-ready solid-state battery by 2027.
The rubbish that VW and others are currently installing in their cars is, at best, an early beta version.
It’s bad enough that I’m getting such a thing as a company car in just a few days... Somehow a typically German comment showing why the German automotive industry is hopelessly behind.
They only take action when it’s at least 120% better than what came before.
Other manufacturers have figured out that the entire R&D process relying on beta versions that “mature with the customer” leaves them trailing far behind. The momentum is different: Pareto principle – just do it first, then improve.
Why do you need 1,000 km (620 miles) of range anyway? Almost no one drives that far in one go.
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jens.knoedel3 Jan 2024 10:05xMisterDx schrieb:
Toyota aims to have solid-state batteries ready for mass production by 2027.
The junk that VW and others are currently installing in their cars is at best an early beta version.I read an article today in Handelsblatt about the junk from VW and others. Pilot production of solid-state batteries is planned for the end of 2024, with mass production starting in 2026. The future doesn’t look that bad for VW and others compared to Toyota, especially since they can even start mass production earlier. By the way, Toyota is mentioned in the same article with 2027/2028.