ᐅ Electrical Installation – Retrofitting Switches and Push Buttons Wirelessly
Created on: 21 Jun 2020 12:47
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bauenmk2020
Hello everyone,
before questions about the electrical installation come up: we have deliberately chosen a conventional electrical system.
Now to my question:
Our electrical installation is nearly complete, and I am not sure if all my requests were implemented by the electrician as discussed. He had told me that all light switches would be installed with deep flush-mounted boxes and as push-buttons (at least those that I marked accordingly), so that I can later connect a wireless actuator behind them.
I have now taken a closer look at the switches and found the following types installed:
As you can see, several types of light switches were installed.
My basic question: Is it possible to install a wireless actuator behind each of these switches without, for example, an off switch position disabling the wireless control?
before questions about the electrical installation come up: we have deliberately chosen a conventional electrical system.
Now to my question:
Our electrical installation is nearly complete, and I am not sure if all my requests were implemented by the electrician as discussed. He had told me that all light switches would be installed with deep flush-mounted boxes and as push-buttons (at least those that I marked accordingly), so that I can later connect a wireless actuator behind them.
I have now taken a closer look at the switches and found the following types installed:
- Merten MEG3115-0000 as a series switch insert (switch function: 2 circuits), rocker push-button
- Merten MEG3116-0000 as on/off changeover switch insert (switch function: 2-way), switch
- Merten MEG3150-0000 as push-button insert (switch function: 1-way), push-button
As you can see, several types of light switches were installed.
My basic question: Is it possible to install a wireless actuator behind each of these switches without, for example, an off switch position disabling the wireless control?
bauenmk20202 Aug 2020 20:40Mycraft schrieb:
There is no straightforward answer to this question. However, you need all three wires at the light switch and light outlet to remain as flexible as possible. Simply put, if you were also able to install an outlet at that location, almost all options would be open to you. This is just as T_im Norden has already described.
This is star wiring, basically.Here is an example of a light switch. A brown cable (live) goes into and out of the switch. The neutral wire (blue) is not connected to the switch at all but is connected in a WAGO connector (on the right side in the picture).
Here is the wiring diagram for my FL62-230V actuator:
What is the best way to proceed here?
bauenmk20205 Aug 2020 07:16@Mycraft
Okay. So, my electrician installed regular switches to supposedly hand over the house as "fully functional." With push buttons, you supposedly have to keep pressing them to keep the light on. Since I wanted to install the wireless actuators myself, the electrician planned regular switches instead. After handover, I would then have to replace the switches with push buttons plus wireless actuators...
I’m really annoyed. Even though I constantly mentioned that we would be using wireless actuators and even wanted to source them through the electrician – he said "you can also do that yourself later"... Now I think I understand why...
Anyway, just to clarify for myself:
The wireless actuator takes over the function of the conventional light switch – so the conventional light switch’s role is now just to send the PRESSED signal to the actuator?
What happens if my logic controller is deactivated? How can a light switch, working as a push button, still turn the light on and off? Does the wireless actuator then also take over this function directly instead of via wireless?
Okay. So, my electrician installed regular switches to supposedly hand over the house as "fully functional." With push buttons, you supposedly have to keep pressing them to keep the light on. Since I wanted to install the wireless actuators myself, the electrician planned regular switches instead. After handover, I would then have to replace the switches with push buttons plus wireless actuators...
I’m really annoyed. Even though I constantly mentioned that we would be using wireless actuators and even wanted to source them through the electrician – he said "you can also do that yourself later"... Now I think I understand why...
Anyway, just to clarify for myself:
The wireless actuator takes over the function of the conventional light switch – so the conventional light switch’s role is now just to send the PRESSED signal to the actuator?
What happens if my logic controller is deactivated? How can a light switch, working as a push button, still turn the light on and off? Does the wireless actuator then also take over this function directly instead of via wireless?
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T_im_Norden5 Aug 2020 07:39Yes, then the signal passes through directly, which explains the electrician’s wiring.
Try searching for Shelly 1 installation / integration in a two-way switching circuit.
Try searching for Shelly 1 installation / integration in a two-way switching circuit.
bauenmk2020 schrieb:
Right now, my electrician installed regular switches to supposedly hand over the house "in working order." With push-buttons, "you’d have to keep pressing them to keep the light on." Yes, and that’s actually a good thing. You ordered a working product, and that’s what you’re getting. Just like if you don’t order winter tires and plan to put them on yourself, the car dealer won’t deliver your car on bare rims in December. No, it will come with summer tires.
bauenmk2020 schrieb:
Since I wanted to install the wireless actuators myself, the electrician installed the switches. After handover, I would have to replace the switches with push-buttons plus wireless actuators... That shouldn’t really be a problem, as we have already seen from your pictures and statements. Everything is prepared for the retrofit.
bauenmk2020 schrieb:
I’m really annoyed. Even though I repeatedly mentioned that we would use wireless actuators and even wanted to get them through the electrician – he said, "You can do that yourself later"... now I think I know why... He has his contract conditions, and he must stick to them.
bauenmk2020 schrieb:
The wireless actuator takes over the function of the conventional light switch – so the conventional light switch is only responsible for sending the PRESSED impulse to the actuator? Yes, that’s basically how it works.
bauenmk2020 schrieb:
What happens if my logic controller is deactivated? How can a light switch used as a push-button still turn the light on/off? Does the wireless actuator take over that function then (just directly instead of wirelessly)? Don’t get too hung up on the light switches. In a properly functioning, more or less automated installation, they really play only a minor role. The actuator controls everything related to that lighting group.
It simply responds to impulses from outside, which can come from push-buttons, switches, sensors, logic controllers, phones, etc. The actuator processes those impulses and executes the appropriate actions.
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T_im_Norden5 Aug 2020 10:16I reviewed your first post again.
According to your description, your wiring is conventional and not a star configuration.
Therefore, a push button can only work if there is an actuator installed; otherwise, you need a switch.
What does the electrician’s order say: push button or switch?
According to your description, your wiring is conventional and not a star configuration.
Therefore, a push button can only work if there is an actuator installed; otherwise, you need a switch.
What does the electrician’s order say: push button or switch?
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