Hello,
we would like to pave our driveway with Kann Vios stones in 40x20x8 cm (16x8x3 inches) in light gray.
We are currently gathering several quotes, and a landscaping contractor suggested using anthracite instead of light gray because the stones will darken over time anyway, and on the light stones, every stain (e.g., oil) is more visible.
What are your opinions or experiences with this?
We actually like the Kann Vios stones the most and would like to have a consistent color. Of course, they are not cheap. Is the additional cost compared to cheaper pavers justified, or will they not look good after a few years anyway?
The stones are offered at a net price of 47.20 plus installation.
They also offered rcl 0-32 crushed stone at 28.56 per ton and installation at 26.81 Euros per square meter.
Are these prices reasonable?
There will be additional costs for edging stones, etc., but for now, I’m mainly interested in an assessment of the prices mentioned. Thank you in advance!
we would like to pave our driveway with Kann Vios stones in 40x20x8 cm (16x8x3 inches) in light gray.
We are currently gathering several quotes, and a landscaping contractor suggested using anthracite instead of light gray because the stones will darken over time anyway, and on the light stones, every stain (e.g., oil) is more visible.
What are your opinions or experiences with this?
We actually like the Kann Vios stones the most and would like to have a consistent color. Of course, they are not cheap. Is the additional cost compared to cheaper pavers justified, or will they not look good after a few years anyway?
The stones are offered at a net price of 47.20 plus installation.
They also offered rcl 0-32 crushed stone at 28.56 per ton and installation at 26.81 Euros per square meter.
Are these prices reasonable?
There will be additional costs for edging stones, etc., but for now, I’m mainly interested in an assessment of the prices mentioned. Thank you in advance!
M
MachsSelbst18 May 2024 12:20We need a gutter at the property boundary. The first ones are already allowed to be removed because it was inspected and found to be faulty. There should also be a slope, as even with permeable paving, heavy rainwater will never infiltrate quickly enough. Just not a 5% slope...
We chose the inexpensive drain concrete paving stone from Hornbach for 19 € / m² (about $20 / sq yd).
Therefore, the 47 € / m² (about $50 / sq yd) for the Kann stones seems way too expensive to me.
Here, even after days of continuous rain (we haven’t had any real heavy rain in two years), the water soaks away quickly. I’m talking about several days with rainfall of ≥10 liters per m² (≥0.4 inches per sq yd). At the lowest point, a puddle forms, but it disappears relatively quickly after the rain stops.
As you can see, we have a green strip next to the driveway. The slope there is very slight (around 0.5%?), also leading in that direction, so if a heavy rainfall event did occur, I hope much of the water can infiltrate there. I’ll see what happens.
Since we only installed the paving about a year ago, I can’t say much about its durability yet.
Here you can see it about halfway finished:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-einfamilienhaus-auf-500-m2-grundstueck-rechteck.33505/post-646779
The darker area is where we just sprayed off dirt with water. However, there are indeed some stones that have less color or where the color has already faded. We actually like that because a large gray surface can feel heavy and oppressive.
This section covers about 50 m² (about 540 sq ft). For 80 m² (about 860 sq ft) and if I had the money, I would probably use different colors or a stone with a shell limestone look or something similar to break up the surface a bit...
The labor costs seem a bit high to me but may be normal now since wages have generally increased over the last 18–24 months.
My question is: does that include the subbase?
Also: what is the intended construction of the subbase? How deep is the excavation, how thick is the gravel layer, and is there a layer of grit or sand on top?
In my opinion, gravel is also expensive; I know prices around 20 € / ton (about $22 / ton), and that has already been considered too expensive here.
Therefore, the 47 € / m² (about $50 / sq yd) for the Kann stones seems way too expensive to me.
Here, even after days of continuous rain (we haven’t had any real heavy rain in two years), the water soaks away quickly. I’m talking about several days with rainfall of ≥10 liters per m² (≥0.4 inches per sq yd). At the lowest point, a puddle forms, but it disappears relatively quickly after the rain stops.
As you can see, we have a green strip next to the driveway. The slope there is very slight (around 0.5%?), also leading in that direction, so if a heavy rainfall event did occur, I hope much of the water can infiltrate there. I’ll see what happens.
Since we only installed the paving about a year ago, I can’t say much about its durability yet.
Here you can see it about halfway finished:
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/lage-stadtvilla-oder-einfamilienhaus-auf-500-m2-grundstueck-rechteck.33505/post-646779
The darker area is where we just sprayed off dirt with water. However, there are indeed some stones that have less color or where the color has already faded. We actually like that because a large gray surface can feel heavy and oppressive.
This section covers about 50 m² (about 540 sq ft). For 80 m² (about 860 sq ft) and if I had the money, I would probably use different colors or a stone with a shell limestone look or something similar to break up the surface a bit...
The labor costs seem a bit high to me but may be normal now since wages have generally increased over the last 18–24 months.
My question is: does that include the subbase?
Also: what is the intended construction of the subbase? How deep is the excavation, how thick is the gravel layer, and is there a layer of grit or sand on top?
In my opinion, gravel is also expensive; I know prices around 20 € / ton (about $22 / ton), and that has already been considered too expensive here.
M
MachsSelbst18 May 2024 13:10The question is whether this price is for "delivering gravel" or for "delivering, installing, and compacting gravel."
MachsSelbst schrieb:
The question is whether this price is for "delivering gravel" or "delivering, installing, and compacting gravel." The price for ‘RCL 0-32mm (0-1.25 inches) delivery, installation, and compaction’—
isn’t that actually quite reasonable?
M
MachsSelbst18 May 2024 15:02If I remember correctly, I paid around 500 EUR for delivering, installing, and compacting 17.5 tons of recycled gravel about six months ago, which is roughly 28 EUR per ton.
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