ᐅ Challenging Floor Plan, Plot, and Historic Building – Section 34

Created on: 11 Feb 2025 21:44
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buttyhome
Dear Forum,

First of all, we would like to introduce ourselves. We are a family of four and have now found a nice sloped plot in NRW. We are aware that it is considered a "challenging plot" in terms of buildability, but we have fallen in love with the location and the view. It is a total of 390 m² (4200 sq ft) of building land, with green space extending behind the plot. Currently, it is occupied by two buildings, the front one of which is a listed monument requiring renovation. The rear building is in such poor condition that it must be demolished. Of course, the monument must not be significantly disturbed within its ensemble, so a modern flat roof is unfortunately not possible. However, I am hopeful that we can connect the monument with our planned new building by a joint or gap.

First, the current situation: the front house is the monument, which I intend to renovate and use as a home office/guest room.


The front house currently has two floors, but ceiling heights no longer meet our needs due to our height, so we plan, as far as possible, to remove some walls and the ceiling between floors to expose the beams.

Now to our planned new build. We are working with an architect we really trust, who has designed and renovated some truly excellent houses within our circle of friends.

Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: buildable - 390 m² (4200 sq ft), with green space behind
Slope: yes, ascending towards the rear, with an incline between 8 and 12 %, so the house will sit at the lower part of the slope. Unfortunately, the view into the valley can only be enjoyed from the upper floor due to buildings on the opposite side of the street.
§34 construction: “mixed neighborhood”, single and two-story buildings with flat and pitched roofs, some 2.5-story pitched roofs
Edge development: apparently quite common in the neighborhood. My architect is more optimistic than I am that edge development will be allowed.
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: two full floors + pitched roof
Roof type: pitched roof
Style: must integrate with the half-timbered monument for an overall harmony (please no historicism, I prefer modern architecture, perhaps with wooden cladding)
Orientation: The architect insists on building the eaves side facing the street because of window areas. I am unsure if this is possible due to boundary constraints, so I suggest a gable orientation as an alternative. I am particularly interested in your ideas here! We are still in the very first planning phase.
Maximum height / limits: 2.5 stories

Client requirements
Number of occupants: 2 adults + 2 children
Ground floor space needs: master bedroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, separate cloakroom, either at the rear (slope) or in the basement: laundry room, storage, building services
Upper floor: large open-plan kitchen and living area with garden access, fireplace, guest toilet
Office: combined with guest room
Occasional overnight guests per year
Open or closed architecture: open plan
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen with island
Minimum dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/speaker wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Carport

House design
Not yet available, we are still assessing the basic buildability
Designer: architect versus own ideas
Personal budget for house including fittings: initially open, we want to see what is possible
Preferred heating system: heat pump

If you had to give up something, which details or features
- can you do without: -
- cannot do without: large window front facing the garden with direct garden/terrace access

Here is the architect’s first concept. She assumes basic buildability including edge development and therefore wants to place the new build with the eaves side directly adjacent to the neighbor. I would prefer a longer joint/gap, but that would make the edge building length disproportionate. I find that unfortunate as I would like the new building positioned further back in the plot to create a larger front courtyard. This is the first idea currently being checked for feasibility by the building and monument authorities:

Site plan of a building plot with parcels, buildings, and access roads


The extension toward the garden is optional and designed with a flat roof.

My idea would be to extend the building joint further, placing the entrance and cloakroom there, with the new building accessed above. This new building would be rotated to face with its gable. Because it would extend far into the slope, the ground floor would effectively become a basement, and the upper floor would have direct garden access at ground level. I would also need to encroach on the neighboring boundary, but I imagine this might be simpler as I am only planning a single story there. Would the house then have enough windows? You don’t want to orient large window fronts too much towards neighbors, but at least toward the garden I would like to have a large gable window area.

Plot and floor plan with blue building area and surrounding buildings


Thank you very much for your suggestions! What do you think is feasible? What are the pros and cons?
I am also still looking for a contour map. All the maps I find online are somewhat coarse. Is there an online resource for NRW? What options should I select in the NRW geoportal to get a good detailed representation?
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buttyhome
13 Feb 2025 20:22
ypg schrieb:

To clarify the number of floors, since you misclassified the single-story house: is it really possible to have two full stories?

This image is taken from Google Street View. It is two houses down. Of course, the lower level might be called a basement, but I would have classified it as a full story.
Modern house with white walls, gray upper section, balconies, and stone cladding at the bottom, garden.
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ypg
13 Feb 2025 20:35
If this is not a hillside house and the brick-clad level is buried in the ground or if the house includes a large single-story extension, then it is a two-story building. See the state building regulations.
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haydee
14 Feb 2025 08:03
11ant schrieb:

Many building authorities do approve constructions on existing foundations (or even in place and size of them), but a cellar alone does not formally establish legal non-conforming use protection for what stands above.

Where we are, they tend to turn a blind eye to everything, including minor violations, and are happy about anyone who stays or moves in—especially if it is within town limits and involves a vacant existing building. We received free advice on what is possible, ranging from renovation to a concept showing how a new house could fit on the plot. That kind of support is invaluable when the plot is not flat and square in a new development area.
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buttyhome
15 Feb 2025 18:20
Well, today I spent some more time on the plot and thought about possible developments. Unfortunately, the building authority here does not really offer an open consultation hour. You can call, but you rarely get the responsible officer on the line, and every conversation always ends with: we can’t make any statements now, you’ll have to submit a building inquiry / planning application... a shame.

It turns out that a closed development is possible. I don’t want to fully use it because I would like to keep the option open to access the plot with vehicles. There are some foundations on the site that will have to be removed later, but not in the first construction phase.

Since I would like to integrate the timber-framed house at the front into the new house, the only option is to build on the right side next to the neighbor and leave the required distance to the left. However, I have now also considered abandoning the plan with the connection. I could renovate the listed building and rent it out, then I would also keep the floor slab inside. That would give me many more options for our new build, right? After all, the neighbor on the left has already built right at the boundary. I could build along the edge there. Then the south side of the house would remain free, and I would have more possibilities on the plot.

What do you think? I really liked the idea of the study with the passageway. But am I losing flexibility for possible development by going for this idea? Renting out and having a listed building also offer many tax advantages...
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ypg
15 Feb 2025 18:41
buttyhome schrieb:

Well, today I spent some more time on the plot

And where are the photos?
buttyhome schrieb:

Building on the right side next to the neighbor and on the left

Which side is right and which is left for you?
11ant15 Feb 2025 19:03
buttyhome schrieb:

Unfortunately, the building authority here doesn’t really offer open consultation hours. You can call, but you rarely reach the responsible caseworker, and every conversation ends with: we can’t give you any information now; you need to submit a preliminary building inquiry… Too bad.

Don’t waste your time with Schmidtchen, go straight to Schmidt. Tell the head of the building authority—or better yet, the department head—about the benefits of having regular consultation hours that ease the workload of his staff. Even in Knieritz an der Knatter, they have recognized this, except perhaps during Carnival time.
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