ᐅ Challenging Floor Plan, Plot, and Historic Building – Section 34

Created on: 11 Feb 2025 21:44
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buttyhome
Dear Forum,

First of all, we would like to introduce ourselves. We are a family of four and have now found a nice sloped plot in NRW. We are aware that it is considered a "challenging plot" in terms of buildability, but we have fallen in love with the location and the view. It is a total of 390 m² (4200 sq ft) of building land, with green space extending behind the plot. Currently, it is occupied by two buildings, the front one of which is a listed monument requiring renovation. The rear building is in such poor condition that it must be demolished. Of course, the monument must not be significantly disturbed within its ensemble, so a modern flat roof is unfortunately not possible. However, I am hopeful that we can connect the monument with our planned new building by a joint or gap.

First, the current situation: the front house is the monument, which I intend to renovate and use as a home office/guest room.


The front house currently has two floors, but ceiling heights no longer meet our needs due to our height, so we plan, as far as possible, to remove some walls and the ceiling between floors to expose the beams.

Now to our planned new build. We are working with an architect we really trust, who has designed and renovated some truly excellent houses within our circle of friends.

Development plan / restrictions
Plot size: buildable - 390 m² (4200 sq ft), with green space behind
Slope: yes, ascending towards the rear, with an incline between 8 and 12 %, so the house will sit at the lower part of the slope. Unfortunately, the view into the valley can only be enjoyed from the upper floor due to buildings on the opposite side of the street.
§34 construction: “mixed neighborhood”, single and two-story buildings with flat and pitched roofs, some 2.5-story pitched roofs
Edge development: apparently quite common in the neighborhood. My architect is more optimistic than I am that edge development will be allowed.
Number of parking spaces: 1
Number of stories: two full floors + pitched roof
Roof type: pitched roof
Style: must integrate with the half-timbered monument for an overall harmony (please no historicism, I prefer modern architecture, perhaps with wooden cladding)
Orientation: The architect insists on building the eaves side facing the street because of window areas. I am unsure if this is possible due to boundary constraints, so I suggest a gable orientation as an alternative. I am particularly interested in your ideas here! We are still in the very first planning phase.
Maximum height / limits: 2.5 stories

Client requirements
Number of occupants: 2 adults + 2 children
Ground floor space needs: master bedroom, 2 children's bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, separate cloakroom, either at the rear (slope) or in the basement: laundry room, storage, building services
Upper floor: large open-plan kitchen and living area with garden access, fireplace, guest toilet
Office: combined with guest room
Occasional overnight guests per year
Open or closed architecture: open plan
Traditional or modern design: modern
Open kitchen with island
Minimum dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/speaker wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Carport

House design
Not yet available, we are still assessing the basic buildability
Designer: architect versus own ideas
Personal budget for house including fittings: initially open, we want to see what is possible
Preferred heating system: heat pump

If you had to give up something, which details or features
- can you do without: -
- cannot do without: large window front facing the garden with direct garden/terrace access

Here is the architect’s first concept. She assumes basic buildability including edge development and therefore wants to place the new build with the eaves side directly adjacent to the neighbor. I would prefer a longer joint/gap, but that would make the edge building length disproportionate. I find that unfortunate as I would like the new building positioned further back in the plot to create a larger front courtyard. This is the first idea currently being checked for feasibility by the building and monument authorities:

Site plan of a building plot with parcels, buildings, and access roads


The extension toward the garden is optional and designed with a flat roof.

My idea would be to extend the building joint further, placing the entrance and cloakroom there, with the new building accessed above. This new building would be rotated to face with its gable. Because it would extend far into the slope, the ground floor would effectively become a basement, and the upper floor would have direct garden access at ground level. I would also need to encroach on the neighboring boundary, but I imagine this might be simpler as I am only planning a single story there. Would the house then have enough windows? You don’t want to orient large window fronts too much towards neighbors, but at least toward the garden I would like to have a large gable window area.

Plot and floor plan with blue building area and surrounding buildings


Thank you very much for your suggestions! What do you think is feasible? What are the pros and cons?
I am also still looking for a contour map. All the maps I find online are somewhat coarse. Is there an online resource for NRW? What options should I select in the NRW geoportal to get a good detailed representation?
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ypg
23 Jun 2025 23:13
I would also avoid attaching a longer island directly; instead, I would plan at least a narrow passage to walk through. This way, the second, third, or fourth cook can also chop from the other side, and everyone can quickly switch sides before any bottleneck occurs in the dead-end space.
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kbt09
24 Jun 2025 08:34
ypg schrieb:

I wouldn’t attach a longer island directly; rather, I would plan at least a narrow passage through it.

It would make sense to consider the wall section facing the hallway… whether it’s in the right spot. I would probably only extend it to the depth of the wall cabinets, then leave 2 to 2.5 meters (6.5 to 8 feet) of open space, and then another wall. This way, you create enough room to position the island further back in the plan and still keep it at least 200 to 220 cm (79 to 87 inches) long.
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buttyhome
24 Jun 2025 21:42
kbt09 schrieb:

It would make sense to consider the wall section facing the hallway...

This spot is actually still under discussion regarding how to design the passage from the hallway to the living room. Open? Then there’s some flexibility, just as suggested. Or a door?
ypg schrieb:

I also wouldn’t attach a longer island; I’d plan at least a narrow passageway.


How far from the wall should it be placed so it doesn’t look cramped?
kbt09 schrieb:

Depending on what kind of tall cabinet is planned in the lower left corner (could be an oven cabinet), I might consider adding a window or a narrow patio door between the kitchen units for better accessibility. That way you get the window reveal for elbow space.


Good idea, a small window fits perfectly there.

What are the advantages of placing the stove against the wall and the sink on the island? Less mess?

And does anyone have creative ideas for the roofing material? Maybe even some suitable example photos?
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ypg
24 Jun 2025 22:28
buttyhome schrieb:

How far should it be placed from the wall so it doesn’t look cramped?
In my opinion: attached islands look cramped. For a more spacious and open feel, set the island apart as a true island. A peninsula is, after all, just a peninsula.
It also depends on whether you need the space to walk through or not. If you can’t pass through, you end up boxed in in the kitchen. If it’s an emergency or secondary passage, it can be narrower. I would never think symmetrically here, as that usually doesn’t work well within a kitchen.
buttyhome schrieb:

What are the advantages of having the stove against the wall and the sink on the island? Less mess?
That depends on your point of view. For Kerstin @kbt09, having water on the island makes more sense. Many others plan the sink on the island because it’s often shown that way on Instagram.
For me, the sink is a place where dirty dishes are parked for varying lengths of time. A good knife (blades) and chopping board end up in the sink daily; when guests are around, there’s usually more mess around it. Also, sponge, brush, disinfectant, and dish soap need to be close at hand.
And honestly? I don’t want that on the island, which is mentally half assigned to the dining area. I prefer to have the stove there so that delicious food can be carried directly in the direction of the dining table. Of course, if you have a different cleaning routine or food preparation ritual than I do, you would argue differently.
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kbt09
25 Jun 2025 01:59
buttyhome schrieb:

What are the advantages of placing the stove against the wall and the sink on the island?

I’m not a fan of downdraft extractors since they combine two main appliances into one unit. I prefer ceiling-mounted range hood solutions like the one shown in the linked kitchen design by opalau.

I also believe that prepping and preparing food are the main activities needed for nearly every meal, often with several people working together, so I find the island layout more appealing there.
ypg schrieb:

I’d rather have the stove positioned where the delicious food can be carried straight to the dining table.

I always see that as the final step, especially when guests are over, since most of the prep is already done and the last bit of mess tends to stay around the cooking area.

I also prefer a full island over a peninsula but I do see your space limitation, as 350 cm (11.5 feet) room width isn’t very generous. For the side walkway, 70 cm (28 inches) is enough; I’ve also seen solutions with 60 cm (24 inches).
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buttyhome
25 Jun 2025 05:57
I find both arguments very understandable. I prefer islands that are used only for preparation, with the stove and sink against the wall. Unfortunately, there isn't quite enough space for that...
I try to plan some distance from the wall. How would you design the passage to the hallway then? Leave it open so the island can be positioned more towards the center?
Or use a door instead? A sliding door?