ᐅ Difference between Poroton Bricks Wienerberger T10 Filled and Unfilled

Created on: 3 Mar 2017 15:43
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sauerpeter
Is there a difference between Poroton bricks Wienerberger T10 filled and unfilled?
Does one have advantages that are offset by disadvantages of the other, or is one clearly preferable?
Our company builds with unfilled T10. Is that still up to date?
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Alex85
4 Mar 2017 06:44
In this case, by relevant I mean whether you can really expect the insulation material to settle regularly. Because the consequence and its significance, in my opinion, are absolutely real (major thermal bridges).
Another example: ETICS (External Thermal Insulation Composite Systems) and woodpeckers. How often does that actually happen, or is it just a hypothetical scenario? Of course, if an animal pecks at the facade, damage will occur, but how likely is that really? I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard or saw a woodpecker around here.
11ant4 Mar 2017 13:32
Woodpeckers are forest animals, not creatures of fields or meadows. Where there is no park-like tree population nearby, blaming the woodpecker is probably comparable to the phenomenon where Europeans see all Chinese people as the same. Or the damage has been seen, but not the bird itself; in such "witness statements," even the house sparrow, besides the swift, can be mistaken for a woodpecker. Parapets—not only for flat roofs but also similar gable edge strips—with built-in nesting holes in the profile can help prevent such damage.

I consider it a myth that birds store food in the high holes of roof tiles; that would have to be a coincidence. Systematically, predation is not typical behavior of food-storing animals; they usually visit their own storage sites.

I do not expect algae damage on new buildings since the wall surface is planned. This phenomenon is more likely a characteristic of renovations, where the effective roof overhang is reduced because it is not adapted to the new wall thickness, resulting in increased exposure to driving rain.

What, however, can be regularly expected when bonding insulation boards is mold growth: due to the adhesive layer never forming an evenly thick film, air pockets inevitably develop. At the interface between the masonry/plaster and insulation board, there is a sudden change in density; from a thermal perspective, this is like a collision at the entrance to a bottleneck. This leads to condensation in these pockets. A double-shell wall construction without an air gap is simply quackery combined with gross negligence, both at the highest level. Unfortunately, expanded polystyrene (EPS) is white and plaster is usually white; additionally, EPS crumbles when torn down. Unless removed by someone allergic, white mold is hardly noticed during this process. It takes a long time for black mold to grow through the insulation board. However, we are unlikely to see this: I assume that in about ten years, triggered by a wave of cancellations or premium increases from property damage insurers due to self-ignited insulated facade systems in high summer, all this stuff will be torn down again in large numbers before the damage caused by this building physics nonsense becomes widely apparent. With some luck, this nonsense will go down together with the martyr’s image (in the sense of a scapegoat for slander). I don’t expect to go five minutes without being criticized for this statement.
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Curly
4 Mar 2017 13:48
Isn’t it the case that the T10 can only be used in combination with ETICS? I thought that at the moment it has to be at least the T9.

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Sabine
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Alex85
4 Mar 2017 17:02
Such general statements are useless. The next general contractor might just apply an impressive thermal insulation plaster or come up with a design featuring only small slit windows. And then it all happens again.

Poroton T10 at 365mm (14.4 inches) already achieves a U-value of 0.26 W/m²K, which should meet the minimum requirements of the energy saving regulations (building permit / planning permission).

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