Hello everyone. In the area where we will be building, we can expect very hard water.
Has anyone here had experience with water softening systems?
Would you recommend a water softener?
Do you know of a good product (salt)?
I understand there are many dubious products in this field. We are looking for something that is proven to work, without any pseudoscience or dowsing rods, etc.
Has anyone here had experience with water softening systems?
Would you recommend a water softener?
Do you know of a good product (salt)?
I understand there are many dubious products in this field. We are looking for something that is proven to work, without any pseudoscience or dowsing rods, etc.
S
Scholdei-121 Mar 2012 10:53Hello everyone,
I have to disagree somewhat with Hertweck; BG Uster was quite clear in its statements. Certainly, there is also a (secondary) benefit regarding wear parts such as pumps, etc., but the main advantage lies in the special rights of condominium owners, which enhances convenience and luxury. As long as this ruling is not overturned, it remains relevant to my work, and I will continue to require unanimous approval for related resolutions. I know many disagree with the ruling; nevertheless, it currently serves as a precedent.
It is also clear to me that pipes and pumps may experience fewer defects with softer water. However, in my view, this statement somehow implies that the lifespan is significantly extended, which from experience is not always the case. Additionally, investment, replacement, and operating costs must be considered, and these could easily cover the replacement of one or another pump!
Replacing parts of the building’s technical equipment can at best be postponed. Assuming that a water softening system makes annual reserves for building maintenance in this area unnecessary would, in my humble opinion, be careless.
Best regards,
Markus Scholdei
I have to disagree somewhat with Hertweck; BG Uster was quite clear in its statements. Certainly, there is also a (secondary) benefit regarding wear parts such as pumps, etc., but the main advantage lies in the special rights of condominium owners, which enhances convenience and luxury. As long as this ruling is not overturned, it remains relevant to my work, and I will continue to require unanimous approval for related resolutions. I know many disagree with the ruling; nevertheless, it currently serves as a precedent.
It is also clear to me that pipes and pumps may experience fewer defects with softer water. However, in my view, this statement somehow implies that the lifespan is significantly extended, which from experience is not always the case. Additionally, investment, replacement, and operating costs must be considered, and these could easily cover the replacement of one or another pump!
Replacing parts of the building’s technical equipment can at best be postponed. Assuming that a water softening system makes annual reserves for building maintenance in this area unnecessary would, in my humble opinion, be careless.
Best regards,
Markus Scholdei
I am somewhat surprised. I have read that descaler conversion systems are based on conversion processes that have not been thoroughly researched over a long period (nanotechnology). Is it really possible to be obligated to install a system that carries out such potentially hazardous conversions into the water supply?
M
MODERATOR21 Mar 2012 12:58Hello everyone,
Since I am not familiar with the content and reasoning of the cited ruling by the BG Uster court (and it cannot be found using the search function on their website), I cannot participate in the discussion on this matter.
What is important, however, is that limescale deposits worsen water hygiene; the rough surface of the limescale layer can lead to an increase of microorganisms in the pipes. Because the operator (e.g., homeowners’ association) of domestic water installations is responsible for the drinking water quality, regular inspections are recommended.
Of course, an apartment owner might insist that water softening for hard water is generally a luxury they do not want to pay for. In that case, the community (including them) will later bear the consequences.
But as mentioned, first verify whether a water softening system is technically necessary, then proceed with planning. This also benefits water hygiene.
Since I am not familiar with the content and reasoning of the cited ruling by the BG Uster court (and it cannot be found using the search function on their website), I cannot participate in the discussion on this matter.
What is important, however, is that limescale deposits worsen water hygiene; the rough surface of the limescale layer can lead to an increase of microorganisms in the pipes. Because the operator (e.g., homeowners’ association) of domestic water installations is responsible for the drinking water quality, regular inspections are recommended.
Of course, an apartment owner might insist that water softening for hard water is generally a luxury they do not want to pay for. In that case, the community (including them) will later bear the consequences.
But as mentioned, first verify whether a water softening system is technically necessary, then proceed with planning. This also benefits water hygiene.
S
Scholdei-121 Mar 2012 15:42Hello everyone,
BG Uster, judgment dated January 28, 2003, case no. FO010146. However, a written request to the court is required to obtain access to the judgment.
Sunny regards
Markus Scholdei
BG Uster, judgment dated January 28, 2003, case no. FO010146. However, a written request to the court is required to obtain access to the judgment.
Sunny regards
Markus Scholdei
Lt12 schrieb:
I am somewhat surprised; I have read something about descalers – conversion systems are based on conversion processes that have not been researched over the long term yet (nanotechnology). Can one really be required to install a system that carries out such dangerous conversions into the water supply?Hello Lt12
There have always been meters, millimeters, micrometers, nanometers... So, the description of how the CoralFor... lime conversion system works is simply an estimated size classification of the lime particles as they come from the public water network. It definitely has nothing to do with the nanotechnology that has made headlines.
I personally trust this system much more because it is kept clean through regular thermal disinfection. The situation is different with ion-exchange water softening systems (salt-based systems); these could indeed involve dangerous conversion processes... you should be glad they don’t want to install one of those where you live! In Switzerland, it is required that a certain amount of silver be embedded in the resins of these salt-based systems to at least somewhat guarantee acceptable hygiene. However, silver, after mercury, is one of the most toxic heavy metals for aquatic organisms—with as little as 10 nanograms (one hundredth of a millionth of a gram) causing the death of certain organisms.
In these salt-based descaling systems, silver kills non-resistant bacteria but at the same time promotes the growth of multi-resistant bacteria. In the worst-case scenario, these multi-resistant bacteria may enter the body of an unsuspecting person through a small injury while showering, who then later needs hospital treatment but faces a lack of effective antibiotics against these multi-resistant bacteria...
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