ᐅ A tightly sealed, well-insulated wooden house without plastic? (Vapor barrier)

Created on: 30 Jan 2018 08:11
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Specki
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Specki
30 Jan 2018 08:11
Hello everyone,

I am very interested in ecological construction, and I have a question.

Is it possible to build a highly insulated wooden house without a vapor barrier (plastic foil)? Has anyone here perhaps done this before?

Typically, a vapor barrier is used to prevent moisture from entering the insulation. Are there ways to avoid using one? The building should meet at least KfW40+ standards or better. Insulation would be either mineral wool, wood fiber boards, or cellulose. Definitely no polystyrene.

I look forward to your answers.

Regards,
Specki
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Daniel-Sp
30 Jan 2018 08:15
Specki schrieb:
Hello everyone,

I am very interested in ecological construction, and I have a question.

Is it possible to build a highly insulated wooden house without a vapor barrier (plastic sheeting)?
Has anyone here done this before?

Usually, a vapor barrier is installed to prevent moisture from entering the insulation. Are there ways to omit it? The house should meet KFW40+ standards or better. For insulation, either mineral wool, wood fiberboards, or cellulose are planned. Definitely no polystyrene (PS).

I look forward to your answers.

Best regards,
Specki
Talk to architects or carpentry companies that are members of the "81fünf" association.
Best regards
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Bieber0815
30 Jan 2018 08:31
Specki schrieb:
Is it possible to build a very well-insulated wooden house without a vapor barrier (plastic sheet)?

Why do you want to know? I'm also curious, but I would still like to understand the reasoning behind it.

My first thought goes to a "solid wood house." I found Stommel Haus, whose wall construction apparently does not require a foil. Unfortunately, links are not allowed here.
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oleda222
30 Jan 2018 08:35
Yes, it’s not complicated. From the inside to the outside, we have:
- Gypsum board
- OSB panel
- Installation cavity
- OSB panel
- Stud frame with insulation (wood fiber)
- External wall panel (e.g., DWD panel like Pavatex)
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Specki
30 Jan 2018 08:37
Because I want to avoid using plastic as much as possible.
But mostly because it can always be a potential problem area. If the vapor barrier becomes damaged or leaks anywhere, it can lead to moisture infiltration and then cause significant damage.

I’m not really keen on solid wood construction; I have been thinking more about timber frame construction with insulation.

Daniel-Sp schrieb:
Sprech mal mit Architekten oder Zimmereibetrieben die im "81fünf" Verband sind

Thank you very much for that!
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Alex85
30 Jan 2018 08:42
The amount of foil is negligible compared to the plastics generally used in construction. But that’s your call.

Regarding airtightness, you are right—especially in timber construction, it is one of the main disadvantages. However, there are already “smart” membranes that don’t completely block moisture but rather slow it down on one side, allowing for drying in the opposite direction. This approach is also used, for example, in flat wooden roofs, which used to have significant problems with this.