Hello!
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
apokolok schrieb:
Obviously, parents are saints, while children are completely negligible. Why say that now?
I can’t just take the property away from the parents because I need it right now. I find that unbelievable. Everyone provides for their children. The OP wants to do the same and not inherit from their parents.
apokolok schrieb:
But that’s not the issue here, the OP needs a solution, not someone to supply more of their drug.
What is the OP supposed to do with a 300m² (3,229 ft²) house when the children have moved out and the parents have passed away? Two separate living units. Hmm, I’ll have to think about that. Yes, what could be done there? Difficult question.
Third child)
What about the age gap – if a third child is on the way, might the first child already be living in their student apartment by then, while the second and third children each require separate bedrooms?
Major renovation)
The renovation here would be quite extensive, with costs not far from those of a new build of the same floor area on already purchased land. However, the resulting building form would be unattractive by current design standards, meaning the market value of the entire property would not increase anywhere near the renovation costs compared to the existing building. Due to lack of demand, this house will likely have to remain in the family or, even in the case of inheritance disputes, change owners for next to nothing. In the worst case, this could happen long before the renovation has been paid off.
When you are involved in the planning phase and familiar family mindsets, this renovation may seem logical. My immediate impression as an outsider was already from the floor plan that the extension creates a changed, dominant roof ridge direction, making the house clearly recognizable as a renovated one from afar. The section drawing adds another dimension to this: even using only top-quality materials, it is impossible to make this building blend in tastefully with its surroundings.
The proposal
has my full support.
Could a bungalow as a retirement or granny flat fit in the garden? – More and more municipalities are recognizing the potential of infill development within existing properties.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
What about the age gap – if a third child is on the way, might the first child already be living in their student apartment by then, while the second and third children each require separate bedrooms?
Major renovation)
The renovation here would be quite extensive, with costs not far from those of a new build of the same floor area on already purchased land. However, the resulting building form would be unattractive by current design standards, meaning the market value of the entire property would not increase anywhere near the renovation costs compared to the existing building. Due to lack of demand, this house will likely have to remain in the family or, even in the case of inheritance disputes, change owners for next to nothing. In the worst case, this could happen long before the renovation has been paid off.
When you are involved in the planning phase and familiar family mindsets, this renovation may seem logical. My immediate impression as an outsider was already from the floor plan that the extension creates a changed, dominant roof ridge direction, making the house clearly recognizable as a renovated one from afar. The section drawing adds another dimension to this: even using only top-quality materials, it is impossible to make this building blend in tastefully with its surroundings.
The proposal
apokolok schrieb:
I suggest Plan D: You buy the in-laws a small condominium and keep the huge house for yourselves. You need to emotionally detach a bit; in the long run, this will save you stomach ulcers.
has my full support.
Could a bungalow as a retirement or granny flat fit in the garden? – More and more municipalities are recognizing the potential of infill development within existing properties.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
kaho674 schrieb:
Why now?
I can’t just take ownership away from the parents because I need it at the moment. I find that unbelievable. Everyone provides for their children. The original poster wants to do the same and not disinherit their parents.
Two separate living units. Hmm, I need to think about that. What could be done there? Tough question. But he doesn’t want to rent to strangers!!!
The first child was born in 2015 and the second in 2016 – so the third would probably be around 2018/2019.
And please, don’t start a discussion in a housebuilding forum about whether having three children so close together makes sense or not – we have our reasons, are managing well with child 1 and 2, and don’t want to go through everything again in five years – also because the biological clock is ticking.
All three children will live with us for at least 15 more years – much longer if they go to university. We are a very family-oriented group and hope at least one of the children will be interested in the second apartment later on – whether with or without rent is open – it could easily be turned into an in-family student flat.
Renting to strangers is currently a no-go unless absolutely necessary. Renting to the children or to my sister (who currently rents) is more conceivable.
But as of now, I don’t expect that and am planning on having my parents around for another 20 years. If it turns out differently, then it does.
And please, don’t start a discussion in a housebuilding forum about whether having three children so close together makes sense or not – we have our reasons, are managing well with child 1 and 2, and don’t want to go through everything again in five years – also because the biological clock is ticking.
All three children will live with us for at least 15 more years – much longer if they go to university. We are a very family-oriented group and hope at least one of the children will be interested in the second apartment later on – whether with or without rent is open – it could easily be turned into an in-family student flat.
Renting to strangers is currently a no-go unless absolutely necessary. Renting to the children or to my sister (who currently rents) is more conceivable.
But as of now, I don’t expect that and am planning on having my parents around for another 20 years. If it turns out differently, then it does.
Zaba12 schrieb:
He does not want to rent to strangers!!! No, but with three children, it's quite possible that one might move back home?
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