Hello!
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
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chand19864 Aug 2017 12:23Xorrhal schrieb:
On the other hand, having the bedrooms, children’s rooms, and bathrooms in the basement, and the rest of the living space on the upper floor – that doesn’t really sound very appealing either. And it will cost a pretty penny...Please, this is really nonsense.
To be frank: you keep twisting and turning like an eel because you don’t want to face one unavoidable consequence, yet you must. There are convincing arguments both for and against everything, all supposedly imperative.
If you really see it that way, you won’t get anywhere. Then look for an existing property that fits your needs. I consider building new financial suicide. But this dithering has become absurd by now, no offense intended.
That can’t be good for family harmony if the compromise includes something for everyone but leaves no one truly happy. Or if one person keeps everything as it is while the other bends until they nearly break.
It must be said at this point: the original poster is clearly under a lot of emotional pressure. On one hand, from their own family, who are constantly on top of each other and want more space. On the other hand, they feel emotionally obligated to their in-laws to such an extent that they don’t want to cause them even the smallest inconvenience. They are trying to please everyone somehow but end up neglecting themselves and any rational logic.
I suggest Plan D: buy the in-laws a small condominium and use the large house for yourselves. You need to emotionally detach a bit; otherwise, this will lead to serious stress ulcers in the long run.
I suggest Plan D: buy the in-laws a small condominium and use the large house for yourselves. You need to emotionally detach a bit; otherwise, this will lead to serious stress ulcers in the long run.
apokolok schrieb:
It has to be said here: the original poster (OP) is clearly under a lot of emotional pressure. On one hand, from his own family who are constantly on top of each other and want more space. On the other hand, he feels emotionally so obligated to his parents-in-law that he doesn’t want to impose even the slightest inconvenience on them. He tries to please everyone somehow but ends up neglecting himself and any kind of rational logic in the process.
I’ll suggest Plan D: you buy your parents-in-law a small condominium and use the large house for yourselves. You need to detach emotionally a bit; otherwise, this will cause ulcers in the long run.I see Plan D fading away.
The grandparents are basically a daycare replacement, and probably your wife doesn’t want her parents to live too far away.
I don’t want to criticize your wife or your parents-in-law, but you should get everyone involved together and make it very clear what it means for you to spend an additional €250,000 (about $270,000) on “just a compromise solution.” Because this will weigh on you continuously, not on your wife or your parents-in-law. And everyone will only start to react loudly if you happen to lose the house by some unfortunate event.
I really find it inappropriate how the parents are being shuffled around here like cattle. Can you please leave them alone?
I’d rather throw another plan into the discussion. It will never look perfect, and you can’t avoid the long corridors because of the stairwell in the architect’s design anyway. That’s probably a tough pill to swallow, but all I can say is good luck with that.
The wastewater disposal in the parents’ bathroom could, however, become an interesting issue.
I’d rather throw another plan into the discussion. It will never look perfect, and you can’t avoid the long corridors because of the stairwell in the architect’s design anyway. That’s probably a tough pill to swallow, but all I can say is good luck with that.
The wastewater disposal in the parents’ bathroom could, however, become an interesting issue.
kaho674 schrieb:
I really think it’s unacceptable how parents are being shuffled around like cattle here. Can you just leave them alone? Sure, parents are sacred, while children are completely negligible.
That’s how it is in your little world.
But that’s not the topic here; the original poster needs a solution, not someone to supply more of their drug.
What will the original poster do with a 300m² (3,229 sq ft) house when the kids have moved out and the parents have passed away?
kaho674 schrieb:
I really find it inappropriate how the parents are being shuffled around like cattle here. Can you please leave them alone? QUOTE]What’s wrong with a stairlift and a balcony on the upper floor? They are not demented or in need of care and can surely decide for themselves if that’s acceptable.
By the way, a friend took a similar approach.
- He inherited the house from his parents.
- Added a living room on the ground floor and renovated it for himself, and built a terrace for his mom and dad on the upper floor. Guess what, everyone is happy (no stairlift needed).
So there’s no shuffling back and forth.
You just have to free yourself mentally from constraints.