Hello!
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
Since this is an extension, I can’t answer most points of the profile properly or only insufficiently. So I’ll simply describe my situation as it is. If this is not desired for clarity reasons, I can of course take the time and try to fill out the profile. My first attempt just now was rather pointless
Attached you’ll find a draft created by the architect. The changes to be made are marked in red. The extension is on the upper floor, identical to the already existing extension on the ground floor (where the building is being raised accordingly).
What is still missing there is that the wall in the original building between the hallway and child’s room 2 is to be shifted about 1.5m (5 feet) to the right according to the plan, so that child’s room 2 becomes larger. I hope you understand what I mean. All doors remain as they are, only the hallway passage from the original building to the new extension will be narrower.
We were actually quite satisfied with the plan. Cost estimate: €150,000
Detailed breakdown (offers available)
- ~€58,000 Timber frame construction including roof structure, insulation, exterior sheathing panels, and all related work
- ~€12,000 Windows and doors
- ~€25,000 Underfloor heating, plumbing, bathroom including stretch ceiling with lighting (bathroom only)
- ~€15,000 Floor coverings including screed boards, wallpaper, and paint (all including installation)
- ~€5,000 Electrical installation (a lot of own work)
- ~€15,000 Measures on the existing building including protection during construction phase
- ~€10,000 Roof terrace on existing garage including stairs to the garden
- ~€10,000 New kitchen
Now it seems that we want a third child. Then there will be no space for another child’s bedroom again. I simply can’t imagine this with the existing plan. If at all, it would have to be the living room area that is already partly separated by the partition wall, although this would make the living room feel very narrow, which we don’t like even in theory.
On the ground floor, an (unapproved) conservatory has been built on the upper side of the plan, measuring about 10 by 2.5m (33 by 8 feet).
My idea is to give this a foundation and erect supporting pillars, so that the upper floor would have a gross floor area of 10 by 9.5m (33 by 31 feet) instead of 10 by 7m (33 by 23 feet). Structurally this should be fine. Then the separated living room area could indeed be used as a master bedroom, leaving a 6 by 5m (20 by 16 feet) living room. The kitchen would also be about 5 by 2.5m (16 by 8 feet) bigger, which could create a pantry or something similar, or a covered balcony by the kitchen (I would really like that for an outdoor fryer => no odors in the open kitchen,...).
The existing conservatory could remain as is; glass elements would just need to be installed between the new supporting pillars.
Cost estimate: With an additional 20m² (215 sq ft) of living space, I would estimate the project would then cost about €200,000 instead of the planned €150,000.
What do you think? Do you have better ideas? Do you consider the costs realistic? I mean, I do have the offers, but maybe something essential is missing?
Are you missing important information or do you insist on the profile? Just let me know
Thank you very much. We look forward to your feedback and ideas!
Regards,
Xorrhal
Can you see the pictures at all? I think I only added them but didn’t embed them properly – so I’ll do that now:
The bedroom on the ground floor could indeed be easily assigned to the other apartment by simply moving the apartment door 2m (6.5 feet) to the left. Then the storage room and bedroom would essentially be accessible through the staircase.
But neither our bedroom nor any of the children’s bedrooms should be on the ground floor – we want everyone to sleep on the same level. Bathroom accessed through the stairwell? No way. Same for the kitchen. I could imagine a study there, but it’s already set up in the attic, where otherwise no other room can fit.
As I said – no matter how you look at it, something is always inconvenient.
The bedroom on the ground floor could indeed be easily assigned to the other apartment by simply moving the apartment door 2m (6.5 feet) to the left. Then the storage room and bedroom would essentially be accessible through the staircase.
But neither our bedroom nor any of the children’s bedrooms should be on the ground floor – we want everyone to sleep on the same level. Bathroom accessed through the stairwell? No way. Same for the kitchen. I could imagine a study there, but it’s already set up in the attic, where otherwise no other room can fit.
As I said – no matter how you look at it, something is always inconvenient.
Currently, Child 2’s room is the only dedicated children's bedroom, and Child 1’s room is being used as the living room. The master bedroom is as shown in the plan, although we would probably swap them later so that the two front rooms become the children’s bedrooms, since they are the same size, etc.
I have also considered placing the new bathroom where Child 2’s room is now. The wall could then be moved slightly upward according to the plan, creating a roughly 18m² (193 sq ft) third bedroom – or if that doesn’t work out, it could be used as an office, TV room, or something similar.
However, as mentioned, if we need to add an extra room in the planned extension, I see only one option: extending the addition beyond the current building line upwards to include the conservatory – that is, extending the addition by about 2.5 to 3 meters (8 to 10 feet) upward across the entire width.
I have also considered placing the new bathroom where Child 2’s room is now. The wall could then be moved slightly upward according to the plan, creating a roughly 18m² (193 sq ft) third bedroom – or if that doesn’t work out, it could be used as an office, TV room, or something similar.
However, as mentioned, if we need to add an extra room in the planned extension, I see only one option: extending the addition beyond the current building line upwards to include the conservatory – that is, extending the addition by about 2.5 to 3 meters (8 to 10 feet) upward across the entire width.
I would more or less build the extension as planned; as long as the children are small, two of them share a room, which is much nicer for little kids anyway; and a few years later, the parents move downstairs ... then the 'dear - not so little anymore' kids don’t need the adjacent room either – where’s the problem?
I would prefer to access the bathroom from the long side; that way, a second shower can fit in, or you could install a shower/toilet downstairs later.
I would prefer to access the bathroom from the long side; that way, a second shower can fit in, or you could install a shower/toilet downstairs later.
Very good idea. I would follow the same approach.
Mine are almost 5 and 6 years old and are used to sharing a room of 11 sqm (120 sq ft). It only becomes annoying in the evening when they are supposed to sleep or in the morning when they wake each other up. But I believe that from next year they will miss each other in the evenings if they have separate rooms.
Mine are almost 5 and 6 years old and are used to sharing a room of 11 sqm (120 sq ft). It only becomes annoying in the evening when they are supposed to sleep or in the morning when they wake each other up. But I believe that from next year they will miss each other in the evenings if they have separate rooms.
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