Hello everyone, about three weeks ago we distributed notices in the neighborhood informing that the street in front of our property would be fully closed for construction work. We did not mention that the crane would be responsible for the closure, only that the street would be closed. The crane has been on the street since yesterday. So far, no loads have been moved using it.
Today, we received a call from a neighbor stating that this was not properly announced and that they do not allow the crane to swing over their property. The crane rotates in the wind (which it must), and naturally moves over all the houses. This is a very densely built and compact residential area. (For context: the street must be completely closed for the crane to operate.)
To build here, the crane inevitably has to swing over one or another property. However, loads will definitely not be moved over that neighbor’s property.
According to Google and court rulings, this could potentially cause problems for us legally. We are uncertain, as the crane will remain on site for some time and will continue to move in the wind. We have allowed neighbors’ cars to park on our property before the work started. We also permitted scaffolding for a neighbor to plaster their wall; we would never have decided otherwise and never expected to receive such a response.
I will, of course, speak with the construction company on Monday, but maybe someone here has an idea or has experienced a similar situation.
Today, we received a call from a neighbor stating that this was not properly announced and that they do not allow the crane to swing over their property. The crane rotates in the wind (which it must), and naturally moves over all the houses. This is a very densely built and compact residential area. (For context: the street must be completely closed for the crane to operate.)
To build here, the crane inevitably has to swing over one or another property. However, loads will definitely not be moved over that neighbor’s property.
According to Google and court rulings, this could potentially cause problems for us legally. We are uncertain, as the crane will remain on site for some time and will continue to move in the wind. We have allowed neighbors’ cars to park on our property before the work started. We also permitted scaffolding for a neighbor to plaster their wall; we would never have decided otherwise and never expected to receive such a response.
I will, of course, speak with the construction company on Monday, but maybe someone here has an idea or has experienced a similar situation.
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Benutzer 100116 Jul 2023 11:26kati1337 schrieb:
Ugh, how I could really not stand people like that.
He probably saw the crane and just like you, looked it up online, then thought, "Oh! Ha! They should have asked me!" Simply common courtesy should have made him ask beforehand.
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Simply out of courtesy, he should have asked him beforehand. A thousand things were running through our minds. Like in many situations in life, you do a hundred things right and no one notices. You make one mistake and you immediately get criticized.
We are polite; we simply didn’t think about it. Otherwise, we wouldn’t have allowed neighbors to park their cars on our property or store items for the waste disposal temporarily with us, etc.
We are trying to start a conversation; that’s all we can do. It was absolutely unintentional on our part.
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Simply common courtesy should have prompted him to ask first.But you have to know all that first. I don’t think the original poster had any malicious or rude intention.
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Allthewayup16 Jul 2023 12:19I used our tower crane to lift the neighbor’s prefabricated pool into their garden and then lowered myself into my parents’ inspection shaft to retrieve something left from the last flood. Why not ask him if he needs the crane’s capabilities while it’s set up? Such a slewing radius offers many possibilities. You could get a personnel basket to clean or paint the facade, clear the gutters, replace the satellite dish, and so on. Whenever I get such an opportunity, I come up with a thousand useful tasks rather than opposing it. Stay positive, have the conversation (as you plan to), and find a solution.
Of course, the crane is secured against the wind outside of working hours, but then it carries no load and is controlled during operation (not by the wind).
To me, this already clearly sounds like "we won’t come up with a good reason on our own," which helps me understand why the neighbor might be upset about it (without them having to be a troublemaker).
It should be clear to everyone that a tower crane has a slewing radius (possibly extending over both private and public airspace), which may require considering alternative lifting equipment if necessary, and in any case requires obtaining permission from other airspace holders (as I said, I did not rule out that some regional laws might differ). I stick with my impression that the original poster was very naive in approaching the matter and I renew my question about what the safety coordinator (SiGeKo) says about it.
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Marc240 schrieb:
We never said the crane was responsible for that. Only that the road is closed.
To me, this already clearly sounds like "we won’t come up with a good reason on our own," which helps me understand why the neighbor might be upset about it (without them having to be a troublemaker).
It should be clear to everyone that a tower crane has a slewing radius (possibly extending over both private and public airspace), which may require considering alternative lifting equipment if necessary, and in any case requires obtaining permission from other airspace holders (as I said, I did not rule out that some regional laws might differ). I stick with my impression that the original poster was very naive in approaching the matter and I renew my question about what the safety coordinator (SiGeKo) says about it.
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We will probably have to live with the consequences if the neighbor exercises their rights. Such a close community is always about give and take. To be honest, we probably saw things through rose-colored glasses in the past and didn’t set any limits, even when it was to our disadvantage.
We simply didn’t consider it at the time; whether that was naïve, I dare to doubt. But I accept your opinion.
We simply didn’t consider it at the time; whether that was naïve, I dare to doubt. But I accept your opinion.