Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 537 sqm (5780 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.35
Floor area ratio
Building area, building line and boundary 14.42/15.00 × 13.52/17.56 meters (47.3/49.2 × 44.4/57.6 feet)
Edge development Garages are allowed within the side setback areas
Number of parking spaces 3
Number of floors 2
Roof type gable roof
Architectural style modern, simple
Orientation south
Maximum height/limits ridge height 10.5 m (34.4 ft)
Clients’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type 2 full floors, classic gable roof
Floors 2
Number of occupants 2 adults over 40 + 2 children (3 and 16), separate apartment: 1 person under 70
Ground floor room requirements: living/dining + L-shaped kitchen, guest toilet, utility/technical room
Upper floor: 3 bedrooms, 2 offices, 2 bathrooms, laundry room
Separate apartment 3 rooms: living/dining, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, small guest room
Office: 2 home offices
Overnight guests per year: separate apartment 10 times
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern design
Open kitchen with island: semi-open, not directly visible from living area
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/soundproof wall no
Balcony, roof terrace
Garage, carport at least 1, preferably 2
Utility garden, greenhouse desired
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine separate terraces; both want sunlight
House Design
Designer: Architect
What is particularly liked? The bright kitchen in the separate apartment
What is disliked? Long narrow hallway, living/dining area in the main residence
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: 650
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 700
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
- can be foregone: the second garage
Hello everyone,
After reading a lot here and planning for three months now, I’m trying to get some help.
The plot is complicated, maybe a bit narrow to also fit a separate apartment on the ground floor.
We are unsure how to “split” the plot.
Who should get the west or east side?
Which street should the house face?
The 5.5 m (18 ft) setback area on the north side suggests itself as the driveway/parking area. Also, no one wants a north-facing garden.
We all want sunlight somehow, but with further construction progress on other houses (marked in red) and the low sun angle, hardly any sun reaches the southern area.
The separate apartment really only needs a sunny terrace (because mowing the lawn will get harder with age).
I’ve simply added the architect’s two drafts here.
Plot size 537 sqm (5780 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.35
Floor area ratio
Building area, building line and boundary 14.42/15.00 × 13.52/17.56 meters (47.3/49.2 × 44.4/57.6 feet)
Edge development Garages are allowed within the side setback areas
Number of parking spaces 3
Number of floors 2
Roof type gable roof
Architectural style modern, simple
Orientation south
Maximum height/limits ridge height 10.5 m (34.4 ft)
Clients’ Requirements
Architectural style, roof type, building type 2 full floors, classic gable roof
Floors 2
Number of occupants 2 adults over 40 + 2 children (3 and 16), separate apartment: 1 person under 70
Ground floor room requirements: living/dining + L-shaped kitchen, guest toilet, utility/technical room
Upper floor: 3 bedrooms, 2 offices, 2 bathrooms, laundry room
Separate apartment 3 rooms: living/dining, kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, small guest room
Office: 2 home offices
Overnight guests per year: separate apartment 10 times
Open or closed architecture
Conservative or modern design
Open kitchen with island: semi-open, not directly visible from living area
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/soundproof wall no
Balcony, roof terrace
Garage, carport at least 1, preferably 2
Utility garden, greenhouse desired
Additional wishes/special features/daily routine separate terraces; both want sunlight
House Design
Designer: Architect
What is particularly liked? The bright kitchen in the separate apartment
What is disliked? Long narrow hallway, living/dining area in the main residence
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: 650
Personal price limit for the house, including fixtures: 700
Preferred heating technology: heat pump
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions
- can be foregone: the second garage
Hello everyone,
After reading a lot here and planning for three months now, I’m trying to get some help.
The plot is complicated, maybe a bit narrow to also fit a separate apartment on the ground floor.
We are unsure how to “split” the plot.
Who should get the west or east side?
Which street should the house face?
The 5.5 m (18 ft) setback area on the north side suggests itself as the driveway/parking area. Also, no one wants a north-facing garden.
We all want sunlight somehow, but with further construction progress on other houses (marked in red) and the low sun angle, hardly any sun reaches the southern area.
The separate apartment really only needs a sunny terrace (because mowing the lawn will get harder with age).
I’ve simply added the architect’s two drafts here.
Hausmma schrieb:
Who is responsible for the design:
- Architect Or are there two? Or one from the architect and one from you?
Hausmma schrieb:
Building type: 2 full floors, classic gable roof Yes, then please show us. How high is the knee wall planned, and what is the roof pitch?
Hausmma schrieb:
Both want sun Hausmma schrieb:
We all somehow want sun, Somehow everyone wants sun. And when they get sun, the blinds go down and a patio roof is added.
I wouldn’t overemphasize the south side too much. I like it for winter sun in the open living area; the garden gets sun anyway, especially as patio use depends on the daily routine.
Hausmma schrieb:
Also, no one wants a north-facing garden Even though there is sun there in the morning and again in the evening after work.
Hausmma schrieb:
We are unsure how to divide the plot.
Who gets the west or east side? Considering that those over 70 usually are early birds and can enjoy the morning, aiming for the east side would make sense.
The family is usually rushed in the morning and has time to enjoy the garden and terrace in the evening, so west would fit. Anyone making this more complicated and feeling disadvantaged should reconsider building a shared house.
Hausmma schrieb:
The plot is complicated, It’s actually not. I see the complications more in the large granny flat. The open living area is almost as big as the family’s. The kitchen is easier to furnish, and there’s even room for a guest room. Yes, a senior also wants enough living space, but one has to be aware that the plot is under 600sqm (about 6500 sq ft) and probably can’t fulfill all wishes.
Hausmma schrieb:
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 650
Personal price limit for the house, including features: 700 That could be tight.
I would reconsider various possible living arrangements.
(Since you haven’t shared much from your side, it’s hard to give detailed advice.)
Does the granny flat really need a guest room, or would a nearby hotel or holiday rental be an option?
More efficient use of the open living area would also make sense; 26sqm (280 sq ft) could be enough with good layout.
Would the 16-year-old child be better off on the ground floor?
Are you open to having the living room on the top floor while having dining, cooking and activities on the ground floor?
Can you do without a shower on the ground floor if there are two bathrooms upstairs?
What will happen to the attic? Do there really need to be two offices, or can this be handled differently?
Wow, thanks for all the quick replies. I’ll try to respond to everyone.
The upper floor will be the same size.
I actually suggested the secondary apartment because the very first draft had a long internal corridor.
Thanks, good idea. But the open-plan living area—the kitchen—is too open. I’ll need to look at it again carefully.
No, it was just one architect. I was surprised to see two different software programs.
Yes, and he will be designing it for a prefabricated house supplier.
The planning sequence grew from my mistakes.
My current priority is to fit everything on the ground floor.
I don’t see the upper floor as a problem.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Without the upper floor, it’s hard to say much here. If it’s going to be exactly the same size, the budget won’t be sufficient. The ground floor is already about 130m2 (1400 sq ft).
Somehow the architect seems more interested in the secondary apartment. The ground floor of the main dwelling is somehow being neglected.
The upper floor will be the same size.
I actually suggested the secondary apartment because the very first draft had a long internal corridor.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Here’s how I can imagine it.
I rotated north to the top.
Thanks, good idea. But the open-plan living area—the kitchen—is too open. I’ll need to look at it again carefully.
11ant schrieb:
It looks to me like two architects, and I suspect: both “architects” (each essentially draftsmen for prefabricated house suppliers). Detached ground floors are nonsense, especially when they are “created” in front of the upper floors.
No, it was just one architect. I was surprised to see two different software programs.
Yes, and he will be designing it for a prefabricated house supplier.
The planning sequence grew from my mistakes.
My current priority is to fit everything on the ground floor.
I don’t see the upper floor as a problem.
Schorsch_baut schrieb:
I’m also curious how 8 rooms will fit on the upper floor. Something like this:
Some adjustments are still needed, but everything will fit in here.
Hausmma schrieb:
.....but the open-plan area ... the kitchen is too open ... I need to take another close look at itOkay, then please describe your needs. What exactly do you want to improve here if we don’t know what is absolutely necessary for you, how you want to live, what must be avoided, and so on? Hausmma schrieb:
But it all fits in there anyway Yes, it all fits. However, not within the budget!
I see more of a wardrobe, about 150cm (59 inches) wide or similar, which would streamline the upper floor so the budget works. There is potential to reduce room sizes since nobody needs a 20m² (215 sq ft) bedroom with a 15m² (161 sq ft) large walk-in closet. It is simply disproportionate and won’t bring satisfaction if the bedroom is planned as a walk-through room and you have to compromise on quality due to budget constraints.
The accessory apartment should be accessed from the east side for better room layout.
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hanghaus202326 Oct 2024 13:47Who is going to move into the granny flat?
With that budget, you definitely need to cut back.
With that budget, you definitely need to cut back.
hanghaus2023 schrieb:
Who is supposed to move into the granny flat?
With that budget, you definitely need to cut back.The mother, under 70. That is stated there.Similar topics