ᐅ Corner glazing with a steel support column for roller shutters or blinds?
Created on: 2 Nov 2011 01:28
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TimBHello,
we initially planned a house type (urban villa).
The floor-to-ceiling corner glazing on the ground floor and also on the upper floor should really stand out, so the only solution is a steel support column in the corner (as shown in the picture) – a masonry corner would be 36x36cm (14x14 inches) again and therefore too wide (the windows would no longer appear as one unit, but as separate windows...).
However, the big problem now is how to install the shutters/blinds on this corner glazing. Several companies and also the architect confirmed to us that this is not possible as planned.
There are 4 options:
1) For built-in roller shutters (roller shutter box integrated and load-bearing in the lintel), there is too little support surface, so this option is ruled out.
2) Using surface-mounted roller shutters, which are installed on the outside of the wall. This would work, but the shutter boxes would look like add-ons and do not really fit an urban villa style.
3) Venetian blinds or surface-mounted roller shutters: These are placed in front of the window and finished flush with the masonry using a plaster carrier (for surface-mounted roller shutters) or cladding (for Venetian blinds). However, it is necessary for these windows to be set deeper in the wall. Normally, windows are recessed about 12cm (5 inches), but with these shutters or Venetian blinds, the windows would need to be recessed about 18cm (7 inches) so that the shutter boxes are hidden and no longer visible from the outside...
4) No external shading/darkening – instead, Venetian blinds inside, etc.
For us, only options 3 or 4 really remain, but on the one hand, we are wondering if it would still look good with the glass front (south side) (see picture) – with so much glass – having the windows recessed 18cm (7 inches), while all other windows on the house are only recessed 12cm (5 inches) (without shutters)?
With option 4, using internal Venetian blinds/shutters, we just doubt whether they would provide proper darkening at all?!
Do you have any ideas / what looks best or might be the best solution for this corner glazing?
Best regards,
Tim
we initially planned a house type (urban villa).
The floor-to-ceiling corner glazing on the ground floor and also on the upper floor should really stand out, so the only solution is a steel support column in the corner (as shown in the picture) – a masonry corner would be 36x36cm (14x14 inches) again and therefore too wide (the windows would no longer appear as one unit, but as separate windows...).
However, the big problem now is how to install the shutters/blinds on this corner glazing. Several companies and also the architect confirmed to us that this is not possible as planned.
There are 4 options:
1) For built-in roller shutters (roller shutter box integrated and load-bearing in the lintel), there is too little support surface, so this option is ruled out.
2) Using surface-mounted roller shutters, which are installed on the outside of the wall. This would work, but the shutter boxes would look like add-ons and do not really fit an urban villa style.
3) Venetian blinds or surface-mounted roller shutters: These are placed in front of the window and finished flush with the masonry using a plaster carrier (for surface-mounted roller shutters) or cladding (for Venetian blinds). However, it is necessary for these windows to be set deeper in the wall. Normally, windows are recessed about 12cm (5 inches), but with these shutters or Venetian blinds, the windows would need to be recessed about 18cm (7 inches) so that the shutter boxes are hidden and no longer visible from the outside...
4) No external shading/darkening – instead, Venetian blinds inside, etc.
For us, only options 3 or 4 really remain, but on the one hand, we are wondering if it would still look good with the glass front (south side) (see picture) – with so much glass – having the windows recessed 18cm (7 inches), while all other windows on the house are only recessed 12cm (5 inches) (without shutters)?
With option 4, using internal Venetian blinds/shutters, we just doubt whether they would provide proper darkening at all?!
Do you have any ideas / what looks best or might be the best solution for this corner glazing?
Best regards,
Tim
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Bauexperte2 Nov 2011 14:38Hello Tim,
I have attached a picture of box Venetian blinds mounted in front. This is a special type of box Venetian blind fully integrated into the wall surface from the outside. Because the box is covered with plaster carrier material, it can be plastered over later and remains completely invisible. The additional depth required beyond the existing frame is only about 8cm (3 inches), which is minimal. Also, the maintenance access panel is easily reachable from the outside at any time, which is beneficial if there are any blinds malfunctions. Since the forum administrator removed your picture, I’ll estimate the price based on a box Venetian blind measuring 60 x 270 cm (24 x 106 inches); with a motor but without electrical connection, fully mounted on the window it costs around €850.00.
Internal shading is of course also possible – usually it is less expensive, but it depends crucially on how “dark” you want the interior to be.
What I do not understand, however, is why your supplier did not offer you a corner window option where – just like with “normal” windows – the shutter box is directly installed on the window? In this version, there is a kind of plastic cladding on the corner (second attachment) – it looks like a whole window from the outside – and both shutters run within it.
Kind regards
TimB schrieb:
There are 4 options:
3) Venetian blinds or box shutters mounted in front of the window: These are installed on the exterior and finished flush with the wall surface using a plaster carrier (for box shutters) or cladding (for Venetian blinds). However, this requires the windows to be set deeper into the wall. Usually, windows are set about 12cm (5 inches) deep, but with windows equipped with shutters or Venetian blinds, they need to be recessed about 18cm (7 inches) so that the shutter boxes are hidden and no longer visible from outside…
4) No external shading or blackout – instead use internal Venetian blinds, etc.
For us, only options 3 or 4 remain, but we wonder if it will still look good with the glass front (south side) (see picture) having the windows set 18cm (7 inches) deep, while all other windows in the building are set only 12cm (5 inches) deep (without shutters)?!
I have attached a picture of box Venetian blinds mounted in front. This is a special type of box Venetian blind fully integrated into the wall surface from the outside. Because the box is covered with plaster carrier material, it can be plastered over later and remains completely invisible. The additional depth required beyond the existing frame is only about 8cm (3 inches), which is minimal. Also, the maintenance access panel is easily reachable from the outside at any time, which is beneficial if there are any blinds malfunctions. Since the forum administrator removed your picture, I’ll estimate the price based on a box Venetian blind measuring 60 x 270 cm (24 x 106 inches); with a motor but without electrical connection, fully mounted on the window it costs around €850.00.
Internal shading is of course also possible – usually it is less expensive, but it depends crucially on how “dark” you want the interior to be.
What I do not understand, however, is why your supplier did not offer you a corner window option where – just like with “normal” windows – the shutter box is directly installed on the window? In this version, there is a kind of plastic cladding on the corner (second attachment) – it looks like a whole window from the outside – and both shutters run within it.
Kind regards
Hello,
@Bauexperte:
Thank you for your reply. This is exactly the type of external venetian blinds we are looking for! In my drawing, I roughly indicated them as well. They look quite nice and provide good protection against excessive sunlight. However, with this solution, as shown in my sketch and your picture, the windows with these blinds need to be set further back. You mentioned 8cm (3 inches).
When the blinds are closed, everything looks optimal and neat, but I’m unsure how it will appear when the blinds are open. Then the glass side of the house (see picture 3) will have windows recessed by 8cm (3 inches), while the rest of the windows will be positioned closer to the exterior. That seems visually inconsistent — or is that not noticeable so quickly?
The second option with the corner windows was never actually suggested to us. I suspect this is either because it would be too expensive or because the corner must necessarily be load-bearing due to structural reasons!?
Best regards,
Tim
@Bauexperte:
Thank you for your reply. This is exactly the type of external venetian blinds we are looking for! In my drawing, I roughly indicated them as well. They look quite nice and provide good protection against excessive sunlight. However, with this solution, as shown in my sketch and your picture, the windows with these blinds need to be set further back. You mentioned 8cm (3 inches).
When the blinds are closed, everything looks optimal and neat, but I’m unsure how it will appear when the blinds are open. Then the glass side of the house (see picture 3) will have windows recessed by 8cm (3 inches), while the rest of the windows will be positioned closer to the exterior. That seems visually inconsistent — or is that not noticeable so quickly?
The second option with the corner windows was never actually suggested to us. I suspect this is either because it would be too expensive or because the corner must necessarily be load-bearing due to structural reasons!?
Best regards,
Tim
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Bauexperte2 Nov 2011 21:51Hello,
No ... it’s similar to wallpapering. You know that you made a mistake at a certain point on the wall and keep looking at it; a visitor would never notice it.
I don’t have a crystal ball to explain this oversight to you; what’s certain is that your provider is not exactly among the cheapest – these two windows would not have made a difference in the overall budget – and it definitely has nothing to do with the structural engineering.
Best regards
TimB schrieb:
That seems inconsistent – or is it not noticeable that quickly!?
No ... it’s similar to wallpapering. You know that you made a mistake at a certain point on the wall and keep looking at it; a visitor would never notice it.
TimB schrieb:
The second option with the corner windows was actually never suggested to us, I assume either because it would be too expensive or because the corner has to be load-bearing due to structural reasons!?
I don’t have a crystal ball to explain this oversight to you; what’s certain is that your provider is not exactly among the cheapest – these two windows would not have made a difference in the overall budget – and it definitely has nothing to do with the structural engineering.
Best regards
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Bauexperte2 Nov 2011 23:55Hello Tim,
I sent you a private message with one reference ... or two, or maybe three. In any case, you’ll find some help there.
Kind regards
TimB schrieb:
... I searched half the internet, but I just can’t find a picture of a townhouse or at least a house with corner glazing and those external blinds...
I sent you a private message with one reference ... or two, or maybe three. In any case, you’ll find some help there.
Kind regards
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