Hello Dear Community,
My wife and I plan to purchase a courtyard property where a multi-family house is located at the front and is currently rented out.
We would like to convert the rear area, marked in red, which was formerly used as a bakery with adjoining rooms, into a residential unit (floor plan/sample) and move in there ourselves.
The layout should include 2 children’s bedrooms, 1 master bedroom, a living room with dining area and open kitchen, a guest toilet, and a large bathroom. If there is space for an additional room, we would gladly accept that as well. I have marked all the existing windows on the plan.
The space between the bakery building and the new unit, with a distance of 6.50 m (21 feet 4 inches), is intended to be used as a terrace and should extend to the end of the bakery, where there is vehicle access to the garage.
Demolition is not an option because it would result in significant loss of space, as the exterior walls are located directly on the property boundary.
All buildings at the rear are single-story, and in my opinion, adding an additional floor would be difficult due to warranty issues (developer). Of course, anything is possible, but the costs for structural engineering and related work would, in my opinion, be too high compared to the benefit of usage.
I estimate the cost to convert the ground floor into comfortable living space to be around €200,000.
We would be very grateful for your suggestions and thank you in advance.
Yours, hahesc
My wife and I plan to purchase a courtyard property where a multi-family house is located at the front and is currently rented out.
We would like to convert the rear area, marked in red, which was formerly used as a bakery with adjoining rooms, into a residential unit (floor plan/sample) and move in there ourselves.
The layout should include 2 children’s bedrooms, 1 master bedroom, a living room with dining area and open kitchen, a guest toilet, and a large bathroom. If there is space for an additional room, we would gladly accept that as well. I have marked all the existing windows on the plan.
The space between the bakery building and the new unit, with a distance of 6.50 m (21 feet 4 inches), is intended to be used as a terrace and should extend to the end of the bakery, where there is vehicle access to the garage.
Demolition is not an option because it would result in significant loss of space, as the exterior walls are located directly on the property boundary.
All buildings at the rear are single-story, and in my opinion, adding an additional floor would be difficult due to warranty issues (developer). Of course, anything is possible, but the costs for structural engineering and related work would, in my opinion, be too high compared to the benefit of usage.
I estimate the cost to convert the ground floor into comfortable living space to be around €200,000.
We would be very grateful for your suggestions and thank you in advance.
Yours, hahesc
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Bauexperte6 Mar 2015 11:53Hello,
At most, I can tell you that if I were to break my principle and actually buy a long-term rental property, I would definitely involve a property management company.
I wish you much success!
Regards, Bauexperte
hahesc schrieb:That’s good!
An expert report is currently being prepared by a certified surveyor, which the current owner has commissioned.
hahesc schrieb:Yes.
You probably mean my tax advisor???
hahesc schrieb:I have heard this kind of statement from non-professionals enough; please ask your tax advisor. He knows your numbers and can clarify matters regarding costs, benefits, and the tax aspects of rental properties based on his experience.
He has not been informed yet but can say that the 3 units which are rented out cover the purchase price including reserves and, in my opinion, make financial sense.
hahesc schrieb:What I would do is irrelevant; it won’t help you because our personal circumstances are fundamentally different.
How would you, Bauexperte, handle this from a tax perspective??
At most, I can tell you that if I were to break my principle and actually buy a long-term rental property, I would definitely involve a property management company.
I wish you much success!
Regards, Bauexperte
Hello kbt09,
Yes, exactly, but I need to briefly explain something to you. The room currently has a depth from south to north of 4.30 m (14 feet). The wall you see that I positioned was adjusted by me because there is currently a small spiral staircase leading to the upper living area, which is about 50 m² (540 sq ft) and also includes a bathroom section. For this reason, in version 2 of the design, the master bedroom is not included. Regarding the stairs, we would prefer to have one that goes straight up and then turns to the left.
The three children's rooms on the ground floor might no longer be relevant since only the master bedroom is upstairs.
The entrance is below the living room, where you can see a small boxed-in area.
I hope I was able to answer all your questions. If not, please feel free to ask again.
Good luck
Yes, exactly, but I need to briefly explain something to you. The room currently has a depth from south to north of 4.30 m (14 feet). The wall you see that I positioned was adjusted by me because there is currently a small spiral staircase leading to the upper living area, which is about 50 m² (540 sq ft) and also includes a bathroom section. For this reason, in version 2 of the design, the master bedroom is not included. Regarding the stairs, we would prefer to have one that goes straight up and then turns to the left.
The three children's rooms on the ground floor might no longer be relevant since only the master bedroom is upstairs.
The entrance is below the living room, where you can see a small boxed-in area.
I hope I was able to answer all your questions. If not, please feel free to ask again.
Good luck
Hello Building Expert,
Thank you for your feedback.
Yes, I have already spoken with my tax consultant, who advised me on how to proceed.
From what I have seen on your website, you seem to be quite knowledgeable about floor plans, and I would like to hear your professional opinion. I understand everyone has their own ideas and preferences, but there are certain things that should be considered in room planning.
Please take a look at the example floor plan and share your feedback.
Maybe we can do business together since you live not far from me.
Good luck
Thank you for your feedback.
Yes, I have already spoken with my tax consultant, who advised me on how to proceed.
From what I have seen on your website, you seem to be quite knowledgeable about floor plans, and I would like to hear your professional opinion. I understand everyone has their own ideas and preferences, but there are certain things that should be considered in room planning.
Please take a look at the example floor plan and share your feedback.
Maybe we can do business together since you live not far from me.
Good luck
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Bauexperte6 Mar 2015 12:30Hello,
By the way, I already indicated my preferred approach in my first reply. From my point of view, it makes absolutely no sense for you to focus on floor plans and the questions of "how" and "why"; you can only fail and thereby also disappoint all the helpful users who put effort into making your design workable. The courtyard-style layout you favor presents several challenges that a layperson can only address superficially—if at all.
Best regards, Bauexperte
hahesc schrieb:You will hardly find any statements from me about floor plans on the HBF; unless it relates to my daily work, it is not my motivation for being here. By the way, when I skim through the mostly posted floor plans here, I often find that my ideas would be completely different. So feel free to rely on the users who will comment on this; they will probably reflect the current trends 😉
From what I saw on your homepage, you seem quite experienced with floor plans, and I would like to hear your expert opinion. I know everyone has their own ideas and preferences, but there are certain things that should be considered when designing a layout.
Please take a look at the example floor plans and give me your feedback.
hahesc schrieb:Nice try, but anyone who wants to work with me does so out of a fundamental conviction, not because I have given some supposedly clever advice on floor plans 😉
Maybe we will end up doing business together since you don’t live far from me.
By the way, I already indicated my preferred approach in my first reply. From my point of view, it makes absolutely no sense for you to focus on floor plans and the questions of "how" and "why"; you can only fail and thereby also disappoint all the helpful users who put effort into making your design workable. The courtyard-style layout you favor presents several challenges that a layperson can only address superficially—if at all.
Best regards, Bauexperte
@hahesc ... unfortunately, your answer does not clarify anything. Example furniture layouts always help a lot to understand the room arrangements.
Also, from my staircase example, you could see how much space a reasonably decent straight staircase requires.
I can only agree with Bauexperte; this won’t work with the floor plan as it is. Many details are missing, and since this is an existing building, the visual impression is also lacking. After all, a design should fit the building.
Also, from my staircase example, you could see how much space a reasonably decent straight staircase requires.
I can only agree with Bauexperte; this won’t work with the floor plan as it is. Many details are missing, and since this is an existing building, the visual impression is also lacking. After all, a design should fit the building.
I have to say that this is not my first time doing something like this; I have been buying, renovating, and reselling properties for over 15 years.
To avoid confusion, I can remove the parts of the building that are not being used.
Additionally, I can leave the area blank on the plan and specify what rooms I need. Even with an existing property that has no windows on one outer wall, it is still possible to consider what can be done and how. As you have already correctly pointed out, a building envelope has both advantages and disadvantages, but it can be worked with. For this reason, I have attached the floor plan.
A brick building is a brick building, and I can install a different cladding or render at any time; for that, I don’t need floor plans.
I am not offended or anything like that; rather, I am looking for constructive suggestions or ideas on how to do things better, or feedback that says the current approach is good but not optimal.
Over the years, I have noticed that many people, especially architects, often prefer to hear "demolish it" because they want to express their own vision. But here, it’s about the client and their wishes, and they are the ones who pay your invoice—not anyone else—because an architect is providing a service and nothing more.
It goes without saying that I will need an architect for this renovation and would never do such a project without one.
To avoid confusion, I can remove the parts of the building that are not being used.
Additionally, I can leave the area blank on the plan and specify what rooms I need. Even with an existing property that has no windows on one outer wall, it is still possible to consider what can be done and how. As you have already correctly pointed out, a building envelope has both advantages and disadvantages, but it can be worked with. For this reason, I have attached the floor plan.
A brick building is a brick building, and I can install a different cladding or render at any time; for that, I don’t need floor plans.
I am not offended or anything like that; rather, I am looking for constructive suggestions or ideas on how to do things better, or feedback that says the current approach is good but not optimal.
Over the years, I have noticed that many people, especially architects, often prefer to hear "demolish it" because they want to express their own vision. But here, it’s about the client and their wishes, and they are the ones who pay your invoice—not anyone else—because an architect is providing a service and nothing more.
It goes without saying that I will need an architect for this renovation and would never do such a project without one.
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