ᐅ Construction supervision through a homeowners’ protection association, private builders’ organization, technical inspection agency (such as TÜV or DEKRA), independent expert, or another option...?

Created on: 2 Dec 2015 16:04
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Bauexperte
A friendly hello to everyone,

who doesn’t know it... or has at least read or heard somewhere: external construction supervision is supposed to help avoid trouble/problems during the adventure of building a house!

Since this topic often comes up in discussions, I would like to ask you to share your personal experiences with experts or associations on the way to your own home in this thread:
  • Why did you hire external construction supervision?
  • Which expert did you work with?
  • How many inspections (at which stage of the construction process) did you arrange?
  • What did it cost?
  • What are your experiences?
  • Would you make the same decision again?

Homeowners who consciously decided against external supervision:
  • Why did you choose not to use an expert?
  • What are your experiences?
  • Would you decide the same way again?

As this thread fills up with contributions (which I hope it will), I will pin it at the top of this section. Then every potential homeowner – before starting their project – can get information on the pros and cons of both options.

Thanks for your support!

Best regards, Bauexperte
Kaspatoo29 Sep 2016 14:27
Regarding points 1 and 2, I would agree with you, at least point 1 does not contradict my statement, in my opinion.

As I mentioned, the companies, according to what they told me themselves, outsource the KfW (German Development Bank) parts to external surveyors or architects who have the necessary expertise. Since they rotate between, for example, 2 to 3 different ones and do not always use the same person, this approach seems to work well.

If someone wants to handle this differently on a personal level, it will certainly be possible after consultation to specify a particular surveyor, for example.
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Alex85
29 Sep 2016 18:49
ypg schrieb:
2. Invoices are not submitted to the KfW Bank but are settled by the approved and prepaid repayment grant

This was about the subsidy for construction supervisors, specifically Program 431. In that case, you submit the invoice and the application to the KfW after completing the project and then receive the grant payment.

However, you are correct regarding the repayment grant in KFW 153—it is offset against the remaining loan balance after the project is completed.
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ypg
29 Sep 2016 20:02
Alex85 schrieb:
This was about the funding for building supervisors, specifically Program 431. You submit the invoice and application to KfW after completing the measure, and then the grant is paid out.
With the repayment subsidy in KfW 153, you are correct, it is applied to the remaining loan balance after the measure is completed.

Thanks – that makes sense to me now
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Thomas SV
6 Jan 2017 16:19
BeHaElJa schrieb:
We consciously decided against hiring a building expert (e.g., surveyor or inspector) because we feared it might negatively affect the relationship between us and the construction company.

Although we are not completely finished yet, I would so far give a mixed summary. As with any build, some unexpected issues have arisen. In almost all cases we identified* – not necessarily defects in the strict sense, but also planning inaccuracies – the construction company was cooperative. Sometimes not immediately and only after we pushed, but then even on Sundays, for which we want to give our site manager a proper gift . Of course, there were a few nights when I didn’t sleep well (especially at the beginning).

I believe things would not have been much different with a building expert. In some cases, you could certainly have insisted more strongly on your rights and probably negotiated price reductions – but the flip side might have been that the general contractor would have scrutinized the contract very closely and made up for it elsewhere – that’s at least my suspicion.

I am curious to read about other homeowners’ experiences with building experts.

If I could start again, I might choose to build with an independent architect who manages all phases, including construction planning. To avoid exceeding the budget – I am firmly convinced that good planning costs more accordingly – I would then probably build the property about 25 m² (270 sq ft) smaller.

* we looked very closely and read a lot, but certainly missed some things due to lack of technical knowledge and sometimes “unfairly” demanded others – I think this is precisely where much of the debate will revolve.
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Thomas SV
6 Jan 2017 16:27
jx7 schrieb:
First of all: The survey will be very unrepresentative because the people who click on the thread are more likely those who have hired one; many who believe it can be done without are not interested in the thread at all.

I think a building inspector is useful because as a layperson you can easily be talked into something, whereas the inspector can speak on equal terms with the construction company.

We have one from the Homeowner Protection Association; he charges €312 (approximately $340) per site visit (9 visits in total).

I would involve him from the very beginning. He usually knows all regionally relevant construction companies and knows which ones have had construction defects or not, and can advise you accordingly when selecting a company. He can also check the contract documents and ensure they are properly and customer-friendly structured from the start.

Hello,

I am a certified expert offering these building supervision services.

When choosing an expert, it is important to ensure they are officially appointed and sworn in. Only through this can complete neutrality be guaranteed.

Due to this official appointment, the expert is regularly required to attend specialist seminars within their area of appointment.

In the overall calculation of a house build or purchase, the expert’s fees are often proportionally low—sometimes less than 1 percent of the total construction cost.

From my experience, on almost every site I visit, I find defects or incorrect workmanship. When you point out incorrect plans or execution to (not all!) site managers or architects, most are completely surprised and unfortunately do not acknowledge their responsibility. When I identify errors or defects, I reference the applicable regulations to document them.

Good luck to all future homeowners!
Benextra11 Jan 2017 23:38
Our experience:

1. What costs nothing is worth nothing.
2. Experts have different specialties (one is good with floors/tiles/plumbing, another with structural work/statics).
3. Often the answer to the question, “Is this according to recognized technical standards?” is: well, you can do it that way. But...
4. The usual 4–6 inspections are far too few!

We invested about €3,000 for a condominium and initially worked with an association, then had the apartment handover carried out by an independent expert (recommended).
The common property inspection (I was entrusted with the handover) cost an additional €850.

Conclusion: Next time, I would probably look for an office with several specialists in different fields, as well as a trusted retiree with the appropriate technical background who can check things almost daily. However, the building contractor also has to cooperate...

Good luck
Heiko