ᐅ Complete Renovation of a 150 sqm Semi-Detached House Built in 1925

Created on: 4 May 2021 20:29
D
dankosos
Hello everyone,

We have been actively searching for a house for a year now. Unfortunately, the situation here is very tense and prices are skyrocketing—if anything is even sold at all. In the year we have been looking, we were only able to view two houses. For the few other interesting properties, we were too late, even though we contacted the seller on the day the listing was posted. My girlfriend’s bank advisor indicated that they regularly receive triple-digit numbers of inquiries for houses in our area. Here you can find the old thread—basically, not much has changed: we have saved some money, but at the same time prices are rising (faster than we can save). We are still in a good position financially, but there are still very few properties available.

However, we actually have a viewing appointment this Thursday for a semi-detached house from 1925 in a perfect location (a beautiful, central quiet side cul-de-sac). We know the street and even dropped a letter with an inquiry in that very house (though the appointment came about through the bank). A large plot (1250 sqm (0.31 acres)) is included. So, in principle, it’s ideal.

The house (150 sqm (1615 sq ft), fully basemented, 2 full floors plus attic) needs complete renovation except for the hipped roof (1995). The heating, bathrooms, floors, windows, insulation, etc. all need work. The bank advisor reportedly walked through the house with a contractor who estimated renovation costs at about €175,000 (~$190,000), which seems very optimistic to us for everything that needs to be done. We will bring an architect/structural engineer to the appointment—she estimated the costs after reviewing the listing at around €400,000-500,000 (~$430,000-$540,000), depending on what needs or can be done with the basement. Personally, I would estimate the costs somewhere in the middle range of €300,000-350,000 (~$320,000-$375,000), and perhaps our architect included a bit of extra luxury? Well, we will know more on Thursday. The problem: €500,000 (~$540,000) is definitely beyond what we can or want to afford, €400,000 (~$430,000) is borderline, and anything below that would be manageable.

We will have to decide very quickly, so I wanted to open this topic here and gather some initial feedback. A few questions as preparation:

1) The house is completely empty. From the floor plan and photos, the kitchen is currently at the rear, and the living and dining rooms face the front. Since it's a full renovation, would moving the kitchen to the front have a significant impact on costs? Naively, I would think the pipes just need to be extended and that’s about it?

2) Another thing we don’t like is that there is currently no terrace at the back. Instead, the basement stairs lead out to the garden from the laundry room. Does it make sense or is it expensive to “seal off” the stairs and build a terrace above them (the kitchen is on the elevated ground floor)? We wouldn’t really need the stairs since there is also a shed in the garden.

3) Do you have a rough idea how much funding or subsidies one could receive for such a complete renovation? New regulations with significant amounts apply starting July 1st. As mentioned, new heating, windows, insulation… What standard would be realistic or sensible for a house like this?

4) Regarding semi-detached houses in general: Are roofs usually renovated together with the neighboring half? From the photos, it looks like that was done during the last renovation.

5) In a full renovation, are there still likely to be nasty surprises or is it relatively predictable when everything is going to be replaced and the risk of needing extra funding well manageable?

Thanks in advance for your input!
N
nordanney
4 May 2021 23:49
Myrna_Loy schrieb:

The costs are more around 1500 per square meter (1500 per square yard).
That’s also my assessment. Qwertz asdfgh
11ant5 May 2021 01:14
dankosos schrieb:

From the floor plan and pictures, it looks like the kitchen is currently at the back, with the living and dining rooms facing the front.

I don’t see any. Qwertz uiopü 30 characters.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
H
hanghaus2000
5 May 2021 07:46
I keep reading here about floor plan images, but I can’t find any. 🤨
H
hanghaus2000
5 May 2021 07:48
nordanney schrieb:

That’s also my assessment. Qwertz asdfgh
11ant schrieb:

I don’t see any. Qwertz uiopü 30 characters.

Also a way to express one’s frustration.
RomeoZwo5 May 2021 08:46
Myrna_Loy schrieb:

We are completely renovating a roughly 160 m² (1,722 sq ft) house to historic monument standards. This includes a new roof structure, insulation, new intermediate ceilings, windows, heating system, flooring, plumbing, facade... and our total will be around 250,000.

Including additional costs and architect? I have a 130 m² (1,399 sq ft) building from 1914 protected as an individual historic monument, with a modified floor plan, completely new technical systems, new plumbing, and efficiency house monument standards at about 350,000 €. Except for the exterior landscaping, everything is included in that calculation—from the preliminary design up to approval by the expert assessor.
M
Myrna_Loy
5 May 2021 09:44
RomeoZwo schrieb:

Including additional costs and architect fees? I'm at about 130m2 (1400 sq ft), built in 1914, listed as an individual historic monument, altered floor plan, completely new systems, new plumbing, heritage efficiency house at around 350,000 euros. Except for the landscaping, everything is included in the calculation—from the preliminary design to the final approval by an expert.

We are renovating the old building without an architect since we are not changing the floor plan. The roof structure was statically inspected by a carpenter. We are also not installing any cutting-edge technology in the old lady. After consulting, we decided against the KfW funding program because reaching that standard in a 200-year-old house requires a lot of effort, which is not always compatible with the building fabric. However, we live in a relatively affordable region where tradespeople still charge reasonable prices.