ᐅ Is the architect’s quote complete? Is the price reasonable?
Created on: 22 Jun 2020 23:21
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NeuerBauherr
Hello everyone,
we have been following the forum for some time now and are looking forward to your experiences, tips, and advice.
We are planning to build our dream home in 2021 and have already had discussions with several companies (prefabricated house suppliers, general contractors, architect). Since we would like to plan with an architect (design phases 1-4), we now have a concrete offer but are not sure if it really covers everything, especially concerning the costs.
We have created a rough floor plan/sketch ourselves and provided it to the architect.
Facts
Project: Single-family house + double garage (solid construction) – nothing fancy or exclusive...
Location: about 100km (60 miles) from Munich, should be in Lower Bavaria
Construction costs: approx. 400-450k excluding exterior work & additional construction costs
Scope of services by the architect
1. Building regulations
- Ordering site plan, conversion, etc.
- Clarifying framework conditions, including building size, heritage protection, local regulations, etc.
2. Preparation of preliminary and design drafts for about 360sqm (3880 sq ft) gross floor area (GFA)
3. Approval planning
- Preparation of approval drawings with corresponding entries (section, facade, drawing title block, site plan, floor plans, etc.)
- Preparation of necessary forms (building description, building permit/planning permission application, parking space certification)
- Calculations (floor area ratio, site coverage ratio, GFA, living space, cubic volume, and cost estimate)
- Cover letter to obtain neighbors’ signatures
- A detailed cost estimate according to DIN 276 is not included; the cost estimate is prepared based on cubic meters or square meter prices according to the BKI.
Energy consultant, fire safety consultant, and structural engineer must be commissioned separately according to the offer.
The offer amounts to 11,000 net plus VAT, based on HOAI. Incidental costs such as plan pauses, copies, and site plans will be reviewed and passed on.
I have the feeling that something might still be missing, or does this really cover design phases 1-4 to the extent that one can approach general contractors to request bids afterward? I often read about shop drawings, which are not mentioned in the offer. The same applies to the quantity survey, or have I misunderstood something?
Overall, we have a good feeling about the architect (the chemistry is right, etc.), but 11,000 net is quite a bit and differs from what we had planned (max. 10,000 including VAT). Since some prices mentioned are significantly different, we want to ask again to be 100% sure.
What are your opinions on this? We look forward to a lively discussion.
Best regards from the Bavarian countryside
we have been following the forum for some time now and are looking forward to your experiences, tips, and advice.
We are planning to build our dream home in 2021 and have already had discussions with several companies (prefabricated house suppliers, general contractors, architect). Since we would like to plan with an architect (design phases 1-4), we now have a concrete offer but are not sure if it really covers everything, especially concerning the costs.
We have created a rough floor plan/sketch ourselves and provided it to the architect.
Facts
Project: Single-family house + double garage (solid construction) – nothing fancy or exclusive...
Location: about 100km (60 miles) from Munich, should be in Lower Bavaria
Construction costs: approx. 400-450k excluding exterior work & additional construction costs
Scope of services by the architect
1. Building regulations
- Ordering site plan, conversion, etc.
- Clarifying framework conditions, including building size, heritage protection, local regulations, etc.
2. Preparation of preliminary and design drafts for about 360sqm (3880 sq ft) gross floor area (GFA)
3. Approval planning
- Preparation of approval drawings with corresponding entries (section, facade, drawing title block, site plan, floor plans, etc.)
- Preparation of necessary forms (building description, building permit/planning permission application, parking space certification)
- Calculations (floor area ratio, site coverage ratio, GFA, living space, cubic volume, and cost estimate)
- Cover letter to obtain neighbors’ signatures
- A detailed cost estimate according to DIN 276 is not included; the cost estimate is prepared based on cubic meters or square meter prices according to the BKI.
Energy consultant, fire safety consultant, and structural engineer must be commissioned separately according to the offer.
The offer amounts to 11,000 net plus VAT, based on HOAI. Incidental costs such as plan pauses, copies, and site plans will be reviewed and passed on.
I have the feeling that something might still be missing, or does this really cover design phases 1-4 to the extent that one can approach general contractors to request bids afterward? I often read about shop drawings, which are not mentioned in the offer. The same applies to the quantity survey, or have I misunderstood something?
Overall, we have a good feeling about the architect (the chemistry is right, etc.), but 11,000 net is quite a bit and differs from what we had planned (max. 10,000 including VAT). Since some prices mentioned are significantly different, we want to ask again to be 100% sure.
What are your opinions on this? We look forward to a lively discussion.
Best regards from the Bavarian countryside
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NeuerBauherr25 Jun 2020 17:29Ybias78 schrieb:
Since my thread was deleted without any comment (for whatever reason), I’m trying here.
This is our quote:
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Is this okay? Can we go with it? Wow, $3,000 for design phases 1-4... that makes me wonder why our architect quoted $11,000. It seems to me that our offer is quite “expensive” compared to this one.
If your architect wasn’t located in Brandenburg, I would have liked to meet with him as well.
Please don’t forget to get a soil survey done, so that you don’t face any “unexpected” unpleasant surprises later.
Best regards from rural Bavaria
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Matthew0325 Jun 2020 17:49Answer the question why, if you have repeatedly emphasized that you don’t want to build anything "special or extravagant," you don’t just let the general contractor (GC) handle everything? That is actually the most common approach, at least in our experience.
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NeuerBauherr25 Jun 2020 18:00Matthew03 schrieb:
Answer the question: if you keep emphasizing that you don’t want to build anything “special or extravagant,” why don’t you let the general contractor handle everything? That’s actually the most common approach, at least in our circle. Hello Matthew,
I already mentioned this before...
After receiving the architect’s offer, we contacted two different general contractors, but in both cases their first question was whether we had a planning permission drawing (building permit plan / planning permission plan). They don’t proceed without that, and I can only get this planning permission drawing from the architect or the design office. If we do have a planning permission drawing, they are happy to continue discussions at any time, but without it, talks quickly ended.
As I said, we have no objection to letting everything be done through a general contractor; it just seems to be rare. Maybe it’s due to regional factors or other circumstances.
We visited a general contractor today who we liked a lot. He has an architect, so for now I won’t hire him. His price of 1,200 € – 1,500 € net per square meter was also very good. However, I’m expecting more around 2,000 € – 2,200 € per square meter. That would still be excellent.
NeuerBauherr schrieb:
After receiving the architect’s quote, we contacted two different general contractors, but both immediately asked if we had a building permit plan / planning permission plan. They won’t do anything without a building permit plan, but I can only get that from the architect / planning office. After about forty months in this forum, I would say that roughly eighty percent of general contractors have their own “building proposals” ready (which are usually as modern as the company itself—meaning that even in the former West German states, companies mostly founded after reunification are the most up to date). These proposals are generally of the “one size fits all” type, suitable exactly for projects “without any special requests.”
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NeuerBauherr schrieb:
Whow, 3k for design phases 1-4... And again, the design phases got mixed up. This seems to be a recurring theme throughout the thread. The quote states 3k for design phase 4. While it’s true that you can’t complete this phase without the previous ones, so at least a minimum amount of work is involved here, it’s not really comparable.Similar topics