ᐅ Comments and feedback on the floor plan layout are welcome.

Created on: 24 May 2020 10:24
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Hello everyone,

We have a plot of land (see site plan) and have started planning our dream house without an architect. Before we move forward in more detail, it would be great to receive opinions, ideas, and perspectives.

On the floor plan, you can see an electrical transformer to the east. It is quite tall and does not provide a pleasant view. Therefore, the utility room is planned here, separated from the house with access to the "breakfast terrace."

We are planning with the future in mind. This means we want all the essential living spaces on one level. Upstairs is for the children and grandchildren when they visit, as well as hobby rooms, an office, etc. The area above the living room is open. Downstairs, it is important for us to have separate areas. The kitchen/dining and living rooms should not be an open, connected space. We often have guests while others want to watch a movie in peace.

We welcome any extraordinary ideas. The house should be unique. But we also appreciate advice on realistic feasibility.

The house will be built as a timber frame house.

The building plan allows for few restrictions. The building envelope is shown on the drawing.

Thank you and best regards,
Andreas

Grundriss eines Hauses von oben mit Wohnzimmer, Küche, Bad, Flur, Treppenhaus und Schlafzimmern.


Grundriss eines Hauses von oben: Wohnzimmer, Küche, Essbereich, Schlafzimmer, Bad, Fluren, Garten.


Lageplan mit rotem Rechteck um einen Grundstücksteil an der Tannenstraße nahe dem Waldrand.
DaSch1716 Jun 2020 11:18
K1300S schrieb:

The often quoted figure of 2000 EUR per m² (2000 EUR per 10.8 sq ft) is, of course, only a rough guideline and is increasingly rising. This is especially true for complex architectural designs, independent of general market developments. This amount covers a house excluding additional construction costs, flooring, and wall coverings.


...and without a garage

Average construction costs can vary greatly depending on the region. Also, for 2000 EUR/m² (2000 EUR per 10.8 sq ft), you now only get a basic standard finish.

I believe the figure "2000 EUR/m²" (2000 EUR per 10.8 sq ft) is still from 2019. For 2020, an average construction cost increase of 3.3% compared to the previous year is already being factored in nationwide. This quickly raises the "2000 EUR/m²" (2000 EUR per 10.8 sq ft) to about "2066 EUR/m²" (2066 EUR per 10.8 sq ft).
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pagoni2020
16 Jun 2020 11:38
neo-sciliar schrieb:

That was 20 years ago now... and I don’t want to make the same mistakes as back then.
There are definitely prefab house companies that “freely” design, but only with their own architects.

I understand that the land and garden costs come on top. But I wasn’t aware of the additional construction-related costs and flooring expenses.

Back then we paid 240K for 160sqm (1700 sq ft). I suppose I can no longer use those reference points today... But I understand that there are no fixed prices for prefab house construction.

I can somewhat relate to your current situation because I’ve built once before (with individual contracting) and now again for ourselves and for our later years. I refuse to build a “nursing home” style house, yet I try to consider some things. For example, the living room could later be converted into a bedroom; the guest room and bathroom could become the master suite, and the guest area upstairs could be changed, etc. From family experience, aging is often too strictly categorized. Ultimately, we don’t know what challenges will come or where the problems will be. And if some things become impossible, then I wouldn’t be able to live in any house anymore. So we are trying to design a “jack-of-all-trades” house, which in my opinion doesn’t work well with the standard prefab builders. However, I no longer want to deal with the running around and arguing between tradespeople, so we found a reliable general contractor. There will probably be limits, but it’s important for me to put all my energy into the details of the house since there are plenty of those. Therefore, I wouldn’t build too large (still comfortable) and would consider the option of future repurposing or even splitting into two apartments. We didn’t manage that this time, but hopefully, we have included all our very individual needs (visits from children, aging, etc.). So you will probably need a fundamental design that fits you, and then you can tweak the details from there.
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neo-sciliar
16 Jun 2020 12:01
pagoni2020 schrieb:

I can somewhat relate to your current situation, since I’ve built before (direct contracting) and now we are building again for ourselves and for old age. I refuse to build a "nursing home" but still try to consider a few things. For example, the living room could later be converted into a bedroom, the guest room plus bathroom into the master bedroom, and the upstairs guest room, etc. From personal family experience, I find that things get too categorized when it comes to aging. Ultimately, we don’t know what challenges we will face or where the problems will be. And if some things are no longer possible, then I won’t be able to live in any house anymore. So we try to plan the proverbial all-round solution, which in my opinion doesn’t work well with standard prefabricated house builders. However, I no longer want the hassle and bickering between tradespeople, which is why we found a reliable general contractor. There will probably be limits, but it’s important to me to focus all my energy on the details of the house, because there are plenty of them. Therefore, I wouldn’t build too large (but still comfortable) and would consider a possible later conversion or even the option to split the house into two apartments. We didn’t manage that this time, but otherwise we hopefully have included all our very individual requirements (visits from the children, old age....). So you probably need a basic design that fits you, and then you can tweak the details from there.

Exactly like that. I need a study that can be converted into a bedroom on the ground floor if necessary. We have built, then sold and bought another property, and now want to build again. With experience from the two previous houses.

It will definitely be a timber house. We were very satisfied with Stommel Haus (with whom we built before), the quality meets our expectations. Only the planning, let’s say, was difficult to insufficient. We will get in touch with them and talk...

Are there other manufacturers who build similarly high-quality timber houses? With innovative ideas and sophistication?
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pagoni2020
16 Jun 2020 12:11
Believe me, I understand you, but we might have completely different requirements or perspectives. Nowadays, there are countless manufacturers, including smaller ones in your region for sure. I understand that you want to rely on tried and tested companies, but of course, these companies have also evolved over time. Stommel Haus might still be suitable for you, but it doesn’t have to be. I wanted to build a turnkey house with a prefabricated home, but now (so far) I’m actually glad I decided to build with traditional solid construction instead. We like details as well as simple, modern architecture. Therefore, a classic timber house was not an option for us anymore, even though I liked that in the beginning. I would free myself from that and first of all find MY own floor plan. I would never build with someone who is unwilling or unenthusiastic about my ideas. Almost all of them can build houses.
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Alessandro
16 Jun 2020 12:51
Take a look at the floor plan of the Regnauer house "Liesl."
If I were to build it again, but smaller and with a separate living room, this would be my starting point. In your case, the lounge would serve as the living room.
Rearrange the children's bedrooms and the kids' bathroom a bit, and you end up with a customized home on 167 sqm (1795 sq ft).
Nummer1216 Jun 2020 13:09
I also like it; the basic layout on the ground floor reminds me of the Schwörer house Plan E 20-156.5, although I prefer the upper floor in the Regnauer house. Interesting floor plan.