Hello everyone,
We have a plot of land (see site plan) and have started planning our dream house without an architect. Before we move forward in more detail, it would be great to receive opinions, ideas, and perspectives.
On the floor plan, you can see an electrical transformer to the east. It is quite tall and does not provide a pleasant view. Therefore, the utility room is planned here, separated from the house with access to the "breakfast terrace."
We are planning with the future in mind. This means we want all the essential living spaces on one level. Upstairs is for the children and grandchildren when they visit, as well as hobby rooms, an office, etc. The area above the living room is open. Downstairs, it is important for us to have separate areas. The kitchen/dining and living rooms should not be an open, connected space. We often have guests while others want to watch a movie in peace.
We welcome any extraordinary ideas. The house should be unique. But we also appreciate advice on realistic feasibility.
The house will be built as a timber frame house.
The building plan allows for few restrictions. The building envelope is shown on the drawing.
Thank you and best regards,
Andreas
We have a plot of land (see site plan) and have started planning our dream house without an architect. Before we move forward in more detail, it would be great to receive opinions, ideas, and perspectives.
On the floor plan, you can see an electrical transformer to the east. It is quite tall and does not provide a pleasant view. Therefore, the utility room is planned here, separated from the house with access to the "breakfast terrace."
We are planning with the future in mind. This means we want all the essential living spaces on one level. Upstairs is for the children and grandchildren when they visit, as well as hobby rooms, an office, etc. The area above the living room is open. Downstairs, it is important for us to have separate areas. The kitchen/dining and living rooms should not be an open, connected space. We often have guests while others want to watch a movie in peace.
We welcome any extraordinary ideas. The house should be unique. But we also appreciate advice on realistic feasibility.
The house will be built as a timber frame house.
The building plan allows for few restrictions. The building envelope is shown on the drawing.
Thank you and best regards,
Andreas
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saralina8727 May 2020 08:57A small tip:
At least the internet makes it seem easier to forget if you don’t keep bumping the thread to the top.
Maybe it would help to just leave some things as they are.
At least the internet makes it seem easier to forget if you don’t keep bumping the thread to the top.
Maybe it would help to just leave some things as they are.
RomeoZwo schrieb:
Hello Sciliar,
to evaluate a floor plan and recommend alternatives or point out issues, it is important to have not only the floor plan but also the plot, the site plan, and the surrounding area. Only then can the best solution be found. Unlike a general contractor’s draftsman, architects usually visit the actual site for this reason.
Many users here in the forum want as much help as possible but want to disclose as little as possible. That makes it difficult. Ideally, in addition to the floor plan, the site plan with building boundaries (which you had) and a surrounding plan or aerial image (for example from Google Maps) should be provided. If a user provides all this while blacking out street names, the need for “digging deeper” is practically non-existent because all information is available.
However, if—as in this case—the information is only partially available but street names are visible on the plan, some people will look up the location to better assist. When a reaction like yours follows, willingness to help quickly decreases. @11ant likes to write in the style of the Oracle of Delphi, but as with the oracle, there is a lot of truth there, and the user is still expected to interpret those statements for themselves. Hello Romeo,
by the way, you are one of the few who bother to include a greeting here. I like that .
Unfortunately, we no longer live in ancient Greece but in 21st-century Central Europe. Today, different values, guidelines, and standards apply. Among other things, one should not disclose data about others that has been found out without consent.
The request in the guidelines for new threads was for a site plan with building boundaries. The exact location was neither requested nor do I see any real necessity for it (but I am not an expert). If that is necessary, I ask the OP and point out what it means if they do not provide the data. Googling the data and publishing it is not appropriate, and to then disparage (colorful description, don’t exaggerate, doesn’t fit here) in terms of floor plan assessment is completely unproductive.
Best regards, sciliar
The thing is: this forum is also a kind of community with a core group (just take a look under notable members). 11ant has been part of it for a long time, and we really appreciate his advice. Maybe he has occasionally gone a bit too far, but never with bad intentions. You also made a mistake, rather carelessly. So everyone contributes their share.
This is about helping homeowners manage the huge investment of building a house. Ignoring 11ant’s help would be unwise – I say that with full conviction. If you also disparage him in any way, the community of other core users won’t appreciate that, and that would be even more unwise on your part.
No one wants to investigate your building site or embarrass you. The relevant data will be deleted and that’s that.
Focus on what matters, don’t forget that the advice here is free, honest, and often truly helpful. Make use of it!
This is about helping homeowners manage the huge investment of building a house. Ignoring 11ant’s help would be unwise – I say that with full conviction. If you also disparage him in any way, the community of other core users won’t appreciate that, and that would be even more unwise on your part.
No one wants to investigate your building site or embarrass you. The relevant data will be deleted and that’s that.
Focus on what matters, don’t forget that the advice here is free, honest, and often truly helpful. Make use of it!
sciliar schrieb:
What I want to say is: be cautious about his statements. They are polarizing, partly incorrect, or present his personal viewpoint as universally valid (often exaggerated). Most of the time, they are little to no help regarding the question asked. It is also possible to overestimate many things. But it is not necessary.
It was probably not right and, as often, demonstrated a “I know something you don’t know” attitude, but that is long in the past and hardly anyone cares anymore. Plots of land can be found on every street in every town and are also accessible online.
And if a thread starter or questioner is withholding information, you have to obtain it yourself. This is a public forum, after all.
When I finally saw a street name here that wasn’t childishly erased, I thought: great, a thread starter who is cooperating so that people can help him – which I did immediately by looking at the aerial view of the construction site. Successful, by the way, because it allowed me to make an informed comment on how much the building setback line is being infringed there. I also know the local community, which maintains a certain character in the village, at least with recognizable timber houses in the streetscape. The thread starter wrote that he "has" a plot of land – if he had written “is applying for one,” I would not have named the location explicitly – renaming it afterward to something like “Posemuckel near the seven dwarfs” is beyond my editing rights (but a moderator is welcome to do that). How someone can turn such a false start into an own goal like this will remain beyond my understanding. The “cocoa glass” comment was well deserved by the lady involved. And anyone who seriously expects a Berliner transplanted to the Rhineland’s cheerful area to express his advice in a stiff, Hanseatic manner must have missed a whole volley of shots. Sticking strictly to a floor plan in a discussion is not a one-way street: it requires a minimum quality of the floor plan under discussion (which here – something the thread starter should be grateful for – was only evaluated by members who are more careful with criticizing plans than I am). By the way, anyone who already doesn’t find me polite enough here should be strongly advised against two other areas as well: the local financing section and the green forum.
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neo-sciliar15 Jun 2020 10:33Hello everyone,
I had to register again after being banned and receiving no response from the moderators to my messages. I hope (and kindly ask) not to be banned again without reason.
Yes, I was (very) upset that my data was shared here without asking. This should not be done. Nevertheless, the comments and criticism here are valid and helpful, so I have taken them on board and revised the floor plan. See attachment.
I will try to answer the questions from the questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 640 sqm (6889 sq ft)
Slope: flat
Site coverage ratio: --
Floor area ratio: --
Building envelope, setback lines: max. 13 meters (43 feet) deep and max. 15 meters (49 feet) wide
Edge development: permitted for carports/garages
Number of parking spaces: none
Number of storeys: none
Roof type: none
Architectural style: none
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits: max. 8 meters (26 ft) high
Other requirements
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof form, building type: modern wooden house (possibly Stommel house)
Basement, storeys: no basement, 1.5 to 2 storeys
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (44 and 41), 2 children (16 and 19)
Room requirements on ground and upper floors: see plan
Office: family use or home office? Home office
Guest stays per year: approx. 5 nights
Open or closed architecture: closed
Conservative or modern construction method: ??
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open, kitchen island optional, important: no cooking facing away from the room. Open-plan living kitchen
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music / stereo wall: TV with 5+1 surround sound
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport for 2 cars
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why or why not. No “all-purpose room.” Often guests from part of the family, so separation of living room and dining room.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Builder’s planner
- Architect
- Do-it-yourself (x)
What do you like most? Why? open but still separated
What do you dislike? Why? entrance area still too confusing
Price estimate by architect/planner: --
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 450k, possibly 500k
Preferred heating technology: gas or heat pump. Definitely underfloor heating
If you had to give up on which details / expansions:
- can you give up:
- cannot give up
Why is the design as it is now? E.g.
Standard design from the planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix from many examples from various magazines...
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? living area, open up to the ceiling, central staircase for short distances.
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
I have tried to “smooth out” all the corners and edges. The rear left room is intended as the utility and service room behind the carport, outside the main building envelope. Large, as it should also serve as a garden tool storage.
Comments (honest and even blunt) are still welcome.
Regards, sciliar
I had to register again after being banned and receiving no response from the moderators to my messages. I hope (and kindly ask) not to be banned again without reason.
Yes, I was (very) upset that my data was shared here without asking. This should not be done. Nevertheless, the comments and criticism here are valid and helpful, so I have taken them on board and revised the floor plan. See attachment.
I will try to answer the questions from the questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 640 sqm (6889 sq ft)
Slope: flat
Site coverage ratio: --
Floor area ratio: --
Building envelope, setback lines: max. 13 meters (43 feet) deep and max. 15 meters (49 feet) wide
Edge development: permitted for carports/garages
Number of parking spaces: none
Number of storeys: none
Roof type: none
Architectural style: none
Orientation
Maximum heights / limits: max. 8 meters (26 ft) high
Other requirements
Client Requirements
Architectural style, roof form, building type: modern wooden house (possibly Stommel house)
Basement, storeys: no basement, 1.5 to 2 storeys
Number of occupants, ages: 2 adults (44 and 41), 2 children (16 and 19)
Room requirements on ground and upper floors: see plan
Office: family use or home office? Home office
Guest stays per year: approx. 5 nights
Open or closed architecture: closed
Conservative or modern construction method: ??
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open, kitchen island optional, important: no cooking facing away from the room. Open-plan living kitchen
Number of dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes
Music / stereo wall: TV with 5+1 surround sound
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: carport for 2 cars
Utility garden, greenhouse: no
Further wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why or why not. No “all-purpose room.” Often guests from part of the family, so separation of living room and dining room.
House Design
Who created the plan:
- Builder’s planner
- Architect
- Do-it-yourself (x)
What do you like most? Why? open but still separated
What do you dislike? Why? entrance area still too confusing
Price estimate by architect/planner: --
Personal price limit for the house including equipment: 450k, possibly 500k
Preferred heating technology: gas or heat pump. Definitely underfloor heating
If you had to give up on which details / expansions:
- can you give up:
- cannot give up
Why is the design as it is now? E.g.
Standard design from the planner?
Which wishes were implemented by the architect?
A mix from many examples from various magazines...
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? living area, open up to the ceiling, central staircase for short distances.
What is the most important / fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
I have tried to “smooth out” all the corners and edges. The rear left room is intended as the utility and service room behind the carport, outside the main building envelope. Large, as it should also serve as a garden tool storage.
Comments (honest and even blunt) are still welcome.
Regards, sciliar
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