ᐅ Brick veneer facade without backup wall

Bieber0815 schrieb:
What do the approval documents say? You should be able to find some plans, right?

Alternatively: Don’t cover the gable with brick cladding but install wooden siding instead. (Details still need to be planned here, but structurally it should be uncritical, it won’t topple over.)

Well, there is a structural calculation and a floor plan, but nothing indicating how the gable is constructed.

We had considered wooden siding before. We would probably see it as an emergency solution.

Knallkörper schrieb:
If the base for the brick cladding is missing, you’d probably have to plaster the bottom or add a foundation underneath. Wood at the bottom wouldn’t be an option for me.

The base for the brick cladding is there. There are already anchors distributed around the wall.

11ant schrieb:
Something like that also exists with real brick slips. To what extent you could maybe do this yourself on cement fiberboard or similar (lay the brick slips on the board first, then attach the board), I haven’t looked into.

Sounds a bit like DIY, but it could work.

Wouldn’t building up the gable with sand-lime bricks be enough? I mean, you’d have quite a bit of weight, which would be supported by gravity on the ring beam and the brick cladding.

DragonyxXL schrieb:

But wouldn’t filling in the gable with calcium silicate bricks be enough? I mean, there would be a lot of weight, which would be supported by the ring beam and facing bricks due to gravity.

I don’t quite understand: if you’re worried about weight when filling in, why are you considering heavy bricks instead of lighter ones? Using aerated concrete blocks to fill the gable triangle would, of course, also work; and combined with veneer bricks instead of standard or thin bricks like below, that would be even lighter.

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11ant schrieb:
I don’t quite understand: if you are planning to infill and are worried about weight, why are you considering heavy stones instead of lightweight ones? Using aerated concrete blocks to build up the gable triangle would also be an option; combined with thin brick slips instead of regular or thin-format bricks as used below, it would be even lighter.

I’m not concerned about the weight of the materials, but only about the wind load on the gable area. I can hardly imagine the wind could blow down the brick-faced (unsupported) gable, but the risk is there, right?

If the wind cannot get underneath, it won’t tear off and blow away the surface. It will press on it, and of course, the surface will sway if it is not very stiff (like thin bricks on wooden panels or even brick-look “wallpaper”). Applying aerated concrete blocks directly onto the ring beam would be my preferred solution for the supporting masonry part, possibly behind a brick veneer. From the anchors at the bottom, I assume the bricks in front of the wall are otherwise intended to form a shell of normal brick thickness (?)

Why are you asking at all? Do you want to handle this yourself rather than leaving it to the contractor who will continue the construction? Or are you just thinking ahead about what you might discuss?

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11ant schrieb:
If the wind can't get underneath, it won't tear off and blow away the surface. It will press against it, and of course the surface will flex if it is not very stiff (like veneer on wood panels or even brick-effect "wallpaper"). For the supporting masonry, I would prefer aerated concrete placed on the ring beam, possibly behind the veneers. From the anchors at the bottom, I assume the bricks in front of the wall are meant to form a shell of normal brick thickness (?)

Why are you asking about this at all? Do you want to handle it yourself instead of leaving it to the contractor who continues the work? Or are you just thinking ahead about what you might discuss here?

Exactly, a shell of normal thickness, 11.5cm (4.5 inches).

Yes, exactly—just to find out whether I should be talking to the masons, the carpenters, or a brickwork company. Unfortunately, I have to assume that each company wants to offer me a solution that they can produce themselves.

DragonyxXL schrieb:
Exactly, standard shell thickness of 11.5cm (4.5 inches).

For the garage, brick slips would be sufficient for me (?)

DragonyxXL schrieb:
Yes, exactly—just trying to figure out whether I need to talk to the masons, the carpenters, or a brick cladding company. Unfortunately, I have to assume that each company will be interested in offering a solution they can provide themselves.

The carpenters won’t have much to say here, since facing shells are not anchored to the roof structure. That would be unusual due to the different materials and their varying expansion coefficients. If something like that had to be done, it would be more of an experiment requiring a lot of tinkering and careful thought rather than common practice for them.

The brick layers can tell you what they need. Whether you want to use brick cladding (and exactly which type) is up to you.

Did you see that I sent you a private message yesterday (check “Conversations”)?

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