ᐅ Civil engineer calculates excavator performance based on tons – any experiences?
Created on: 7 Aug 2021 00:20
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NeuerBauherrHE
Hello dear forum,
Today we received a quote from the civil engineer for the excavation work.
His task is to load the soil onto articulated trucks, which will be provided by the landfill.
Instead of charging for labor as usual, the civil engineer charges €5 per ton of soil.
In our case, that amounts to 1000 tons, so €5000 plus VAT.
This seems very expensive to us, considering he plans to operate the excavator for only two days.
From my research online, excavator rental and operator costs usually max out at around €1000 per day.
Therefore, we are wondering whether he is making additional profit from our soil or if the €5/ton or €5000 fee is justified?
Today we received a quote from the civil engineer for the excavation work.
His task is to load the soil onto articulated trucks, which will be provided by the landfill.
Instead of charging for labor as usual, the civil engineer charges €5 per ton of soil.
In our case, that amounts to 1000 tons, so €5000 plus VAT.
This seems very expensive to us, considering he plans to operate the excavator for only two days.
From my research online, excavator rental and operator costs usually max out at around €1000 per day.
Therefore, we are wondering whether he is making additional profit from our soil or if the €5/ton or €5000 fee is justified?
I think that's way too expensive. Landfill costs vary a lot depending on the region, and because of high transport fees, your options are often very limited. But the excavation work is disproportionately costly. I would rather schedule the trucks less frequently, rent an excavator and do the digging myself, or hire an excavator operator through classified ads. That way, you could save around €4000.
Last year, we had about 700 tons removed, and the invoice listed €1,100 net for the excavation work, including 2 days with a 16-ton (18-ton) excavator.
Last year, we had about 700 tons removed, and the invoice listed €1,100 net for the excavation work, including 2 days with a 16-ton (18-ton) excavator.
NeuerBauherrHE schrieb:
Did you also have a 210 sqm (2,260 sq ft) plot?No, sorry... I missed that... we had an excavation pit measuring 13 x 13 meters (43 x 43 feet) with a one-meter (3 feet) depth 🙂
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hampshire8 Aug 2021 18:23Fuchur schrieb:
I would rather schedule the trucks to arrive more slowly, rent an excavator and do the digging yourself, or hire an excavator operator through classified ads. Just like that, you save 4000€.If they still come free of charge in this setup... but I don’t think so.As far as I understand, these are two separate quotes. He himself said that he found a cheaper landfill, but they can’t pick up as quickly due to insufficient trucks. That would actually be more convenient.
At 30 metric tons for landfill and transport, it won’t be “free” anyway.
With us, they used two trucks that came alternately. During loading breaks, the excavator was used to rearrange the remaining pile for further loading.
At 30 metric tons for landfill and transport, it won’t be “free” anyway.
With us, they used two trucks that came alternately. During loading breaks, the excavator was used to rearrange the remaining pile for further loading.
I find both prices quite high. I just checked, and we paid 35€ per cubic meter (not per ton). The 35€ net includes excavation and transport to the landfill (no additional costs related to the excavation).
You have about 1,000 tons, so at approximately 1.60 t/m³ = about 625 m³ (about 825 cubic yards) * 35€ plus VAT = around 26,000€.
But you’re supposed to pay 35,000€ in total? Is that correct? Or am I making a calculation error? (Topsoil is probably lighter; our soil was nearly 2 tons per cubic meter (silt/clay).)
You have about 1,000 tons, so at approximately 1.60 t/m³ = about 625 m³ (about 825 cubic yards) * 35€ plus VAT = around 26,000€.
But you’re supposed to pay 35,000€ in total? Is that correct? Or am I making a calculation error? (Topsoil is probably lighter; our soil was nearly 2 tons per cubic meter (silt/clay).)
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NeuerBauherrHE8 Aug 2021 22:12i_b_n_a_n schrieb:
I find both prices quite high. I just checked and we paid 35€ per cubic meter (not per ton). The 35€ net includes excavation and transport to the landfill (no additional costs related to the excavation).
You have about 1000 tons, which means at approximately 1.60 t/m³ = about 625 m³ (825 cubic yards) * 35€ plus VAT = roughly 26,000€.
But you have to pay 35,000€ total? Correct. Or am I making a calculation error? (Topsoil is lighter, our soil was even close to 2t per m³ (silt/clay)) Here are the offers I received (excluding VAT):
1.) 17€/ton -> transport included, cannot maintain high frequency.
2.) 25€/ton -> transport included, can maintain high frequency.
3.) 31€/ton -> offer from the civil engineering contractor who delivers the soil to option 2).
We estimate around 1000 tons.
The extra charge of 6€/ton for loading into trucks is a sore point for us and should have been considered in the cost calculation.
It feels like we are paying almost double to the civil engineering contractor.
We are considering postponing the construction by two weeks and having most of the work done by a friend who operates an excavator.
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