ᐅ City villa living and dining area of 43 m² too small

Created on: 14 Jun 2020 21:49
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immermehr
Hello everyone,
the basement of my house is now completed. For several days, I have been thinking about how to arrange the furniture and plan the kitchen. I am worried that 43m2 (460 sq ft) might be too small.
Our architect’s plan does not include any furniture, so I took the time to create some layouts using Sweet Home 3D.

Questions:
- What do you think about 43m2 (460 sq ft)?
- Which layout do you like the most?
- What would you do differently?

THANKS for your opinions.

Floor plan of an open living and dining area with dining table, kitchen island, bar stools, and L-shaped sofa.


Floor plan of an open living and dining area with dining table, kitchen in the bottom left, and sofa on the right.


Floor plan of a living and working space with dining table, lounge sofa, and workspace.
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Fummelbrett!
16 Jun 2020 09:16
I would also prefer option 3. However, to me, the dining table still feels too much like it’s part of the kitchen. Overall, I find the space too "open"—but that’s really just a matter of personal taste. I tend to prefer a cozier atmosphere anyway.

With option 3, I would definitely mount the TV on a swivel arm, so it can be adjusted to provide a good view from all seating areas on the sofa. We have that setup as well, and it works great.

Are any other pieces of furniture planned, or will the space remain this "clean"? Bookshelves? Dressers? Sideboards? Personally, I feel like the room could use some sort of visual separation—you enter and everything is open, somewhat like a furniture showroom. Imagine this: you walk into the room, you look over the sofa on the right, and the kitchen is in sight on the left, with the dining table somewhere in between. But as they say: for those who like it, it’s the best.

So here’s another question: How do you currently live? Open kitchen? Size proportions? Will the new living area be bigger or smaller? What furniture needs to fit in?
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vanny2705
16 Jun 2020 09:46
Maybe this could be another option. An island with the dining table placed in front of it.
Is it possible to remove these short wall sections? Or are they load-bearing? I find them quite obstructive.

Hand-drawn floor plan sketch showing living and dining area with dining table
Tolentino16 Jun 2020 09:56
Yes, I would also leave out the short walls. In my case, the architect only designed them on the hallway side, practically to frame the wardrobe area. Structurally, however, they were unnecessary. I tend to regard them more as stylistic elements, which may have their reasons, but ultimately make the furnishing and overall room layout less flexible.

In this sense: Skip the short walls!
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evelinoz
16 Jun 2020 10:44
Here is some additional information.

Floor plan of an open kitchen with dining table, island, and many cabinets.

Open kitchen with island, dining table, gray walls, and wooden floor in a modern living space.


The table in the picture is 90 x 180 cm (35 x 71 inches); I would choose a smaller one. The sofas are each 200 x 90 cm (79 x 35 inches). The plan only shows 9 m (30 ft), those familiar with the planner will know that. There are 45 cm (18 inches) missing in length.

Just one leg of an overall 7 m (23 ft) L-shape, including a corner, does not provide much space for a kitchen.

Unfortunately, all the patio doors open on the wrong side. I swapped the door in the kitchen; in the middle, the door that should open first also needs to be on the other side.

Why the door is on the wall at the bottom of the plan, I have no idea — it’s simply too much.

The dishwasher door is marked in green.

Unfortunately, very few people think about the kitchen when planning a house. Most only join the kitchen forum too late, when “the walls are already set.” Well then.

Floor plan of a kitchen with dining table, island, and cabinets; entrance at bottom left.
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chrisw81
16 Jun 2020 11:36
RomeoZwo schrieb:

I wouldn’t choose option 2 at all. You have such nice windows facing the garden, and from the sofa, you’d only be looking at a wall!
With option 1, the TV would probably be very small, so option 3 might be the best compromise. It really depends on how important TV is to you.

With option 2, you can also see the garden from the couch that’s positioned in the room. Although it’s only over the other sofa, that’s still enough.
Unfortunately, we had to arrange it like option 2 because we also have a fireplace that we want to be able to see. But you can’t have everything, even with a completely free design...
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evelinoz
16 Jun 2020 12:24
In the garden, with the V2 version, you can also see through the table, but that’s not the only view.

I can only say, without corners, there is just under 300cm (118 inches) on one side and 270cm (106 inches) on the other side. There’s no room for a side-by-side refrigerator anymore.

1 x tall cabinet with refrigerator
1 x tall cabinet with oven
1 x dishwasher
1 x sink
30cm (12 inches) for waste
dead corner

3 x 100cm (39 inches) base cabinets (just under)

Plus a few wall units, that’s about it, no pantry cabinet, which I think might be barely enough for 4 people.

If only the door on the run were removed, it would make a significant difference and be feasible. Instead of 300cm (118 inches), you’d have 420cm (165 inches), allowing space for a pantry cabinet.

The downside with the L-shape is that you end up staring at a wall all the time.