ᐅ Bungalow with a gable roof, edge development, 8 by 17 meters
Created on: 29 Apr 2018 22:51
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Grit Stephan
Hello,
we have a building plot and everything is still possible.
Of course, we have wishes and ideas.
Just like people are different, we all build our houses differently...
I’m interested in how you would approach having two sides, namely the east and south sides, facing a green area: but with a tree preservation and planting requirement on the south side...
And you want to be part of this garden...
Here are the facts as suggested by the moderation:
Plot size 1159 sqm (12,470 sq ft)
No slope, only a slight incline along a ditch, but it’s on the building boundary anyway. With trees and planting according to the development plan on the long side, where a tree already stands. Building boundary on the long side 6 meters (20 feet). The rest 3 meters (10 feet).
Floor area ratio known only as a percentage: 60% may be built on.
Plot ratio unknown at the moment, definitely ridge height 12 meters (39 feet). Surrounding buildings are mostly one and a half stories, and bungalows are planned. There are practically no restrictions.
Building window, building line and boundary
Edge development, only known after consulting authorities, our plan fits...
Number of parking spaces 3
Number of floors 1 (1.5 floors would also be conceivable)
Roof shape gable roof.
Style simple bungalow
Orientation? See plan.
Maximum heights/restrictions
Other requirements are met.
2 neighbors.
One on the north side and one on the west side, but only on a small section.
The rest of the west side is the access driveway.
Client requirements
We have no particular style preference; for us, the important thing is that we found a nice building plot in this location at all and that we focus more on a reasonable budget, finding an affordable mortgage payment, and being able to live well in the long term.
Household of 4 people, visitors 3-5 (at once) at least 4 weekends per year... We have a caravan that is used as an extra bedroom for us.
An office and workspace would be very advantageous for us as technology and craft enthusiasts.
Sufficient space on a small footprint.
The living area could also be open up to the roof... Or have a ceiling like the other rooms. But no exact idea yet... The structural engineering should be feasible, but it’s not yet decided what budget we want to allocate to that...
Whether conservative or modern... I’d say a healthy mix. In any case, with
an open kitchen, a small kitchen island (not a must) but reasonable storage space in the kitchen. As a mom, I want to be part of the busy life, and I can no longer imagine having a separate kitchen.
A basement is not essential.
Double garage planned. Possibly a carport.
Number of dining seats: 6 definitely, 8 would be great.
A fireplace is planned.
Wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
1. Room layout:
Bedroom on the long side, as that’s the quiet green side. The kitchen and living room should be basically part of the garden.
The kitchen has morning and evening sun.
The entrance is at the front because we decided that a side entrance near the neighbor—for example: getting out of the car and around the corner, behind the house—is too far away for us, and the front facing the street would otherwise only have a window for the utility room...
Terrace location still open. Probably there will be two... The evening sun will come around again.
House design
Who is the plan by:
Idea from the internet, adapted plan created by ourselves.
All windows on the south side are floor-to-ceiling. Two patio doors: one facing east, one to the south off the dining room. Kitchen sink window has a lower window section. Another kitchen window is also floor-to-ceiling.
Other rooms (bathroom, guest WC, office, utility room) standard height.
Oh, and the kitchen island here is probably drawn too large. Actually, it would be 1 meter (3.3 feet) on the sides and 1.5 meters (5 feet) facing the kitchen counter.
What do you particularly like? Why?
Bedroom on a quiet side, no neighbor.
Kitchen and living room basically part of the garden, also a corner without neighbors, facing the green.
What don’t you like? Why?
Storage room too far from the kitchen, but still the best solution... And my plan is to fit as much as possible into the kitchen.
Cost estimate, somewhere between 150,000 and 220,000 (without garage and without outdoor facilities)
Preferred heating technology: not settled yet, we are currently looking into air-source heat pumps.
If you had to give up something, which details/extras
- could you live without:
- could you not live without:
Bedroom, living, and kitchen must face the green side...
Fireplace must be included,
2 children’s rooms,
Bathtub must be included...
I could maybe do without a second patio door? And kitchen layout, I’m still open.
Looking forward to your suggestions and feedback.
I hope for constructive, respectful criticism.
we have a building plot and everything is still possible.
Of course, we have wishes and ideas.
Just like people are different, we all build our houses differently...
I’m interested in how you would approach having two sides, namely the east and south sides, facing a green area: but with a tree preservation and planting requirement on the south side...
And you want to be part of this garden...
Here are the facts as suggested by the moderation:
Plot size 1159 sqm (12,470 sq ft)
No slope, only a slight incline along a ditch, but it’s on the building boundary anyway. With trees and planting according to the development plan on the long side, where a tree already stands. Building boundary on the long side 6 meters (20 feet). The rest 3 meters (10 feet).
Floor area ratio known only as a percentage: 60% may be built on.
Plot ratio unknown at the moment, definitely ridge height 12 meters (39 feet). Surrounding buildings are mostly one and a half stories, and bungalows are planned. There are practically no restrictions.
Building window, building line and boundary
Edge development, only known after consulting authorities, our plan fits...
Number of parking spaces 3
Number of floors 1 (1.5 floors would also be conceivable)
Roof shape gable roof.
Style simple bungalow
Orientation? See plan.
Maximum heights/restrictions
Other requirements are met.
2 neighbors.
One on the north side and one on the west side, but only on a small section.
The rest of the west side is the access driveway.
Client requirements
We have no particular style preference; for us, the important thing is that we found a nice building plot in this location at all and that we focus more on a reasonable budget, finding an affordable mortgage payment, and being able to live well in the long term.
Household of 4 people, visitors 3-5 (at once) at least 4 weekends per year... We have a caravan that is used as an extra bedroom for us.
An office and workspace would be very advantageous for us as technology and craft enthusiasts.
Sufficient space on a small footprint.
The living area could also be open up to the roof... Or have a ceiling like the other rooms. But no exact idea yet... The structural engineering should be feasible, but it’s not yet decided what budget we want to allocate to that...
Whether conservative or modern... I’d say a healthy mix. In any case, with
an open kitchen, a small kitchen island (not a must) but reasonable storage space in the kitchen. As a mom, I want to be part of the busy life, and I can no longer imagine having a separate kitchen.
A basement is not essential.
Double garage planned. Possibly a carport.
Number of dining seats: 6 definitely, 8 would be great.
A fireplace is planned.
Wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why this or that should or should not be:
1. Room layout:
Bedroom on the long side, as that’s the quiet green side. The kitchen and living room should be basically part of the garden.
The kitchen has morning and evening sun.
The entrance is at the front because we decided that a side entrance near the neighbor—for example: getting out of the car and around the corner, behind the house—is too far away for us, and the front facing the street would otherwise only have a window for the utility room...
Terrace location still open. Probably there will be two... The evening sun will come around again.
House design
Who is the plan by:
Idea from the internet, adapted plan created by ourselves.
All windows on the south side are floor-to-ceiling. Two patio doors: one facing east, one to the south off the dining room. Kitchen sink window has a lower window section. Another kitchen window is also floor-to-ceiling.
Other rooms (bathroom, guest WC, office, utility room) standard height.
Oh, and the kitchen island here is probably drawn too large. Actually, it would be 1 meter (3.3 feet) on the sides and 1.5 meters (5 feet) facing the kitchen counter.
What do you particularly like? Why?
Bedroom on a quiet side, no neighbor.
Kitchen and living room basically part of the garden, also a corner without neighbors, facing the green.
What don’t you like? Why?
Storage room too far from the kitchen, but still the best solution... And my plan is to fit as much as possible into the kitchen.
Cost estimate, somewhere between 150,000 and 220,000 (without garage and without outdoor facilities)
Preferred heating technology: not settled yet, we are currently looking into air-source heat pumps.
If you had to give up something, which details/extras
- could you live without:
- could you not live without:
Bedroom, living, and kitchen must face the green side...
Fireplace must be included,
2 children’s rooms,
Bathtub must be included...
I could maybe do without a second patio door? And kitchen layout, I’m still open.
Looking forward to your suggestions and feedback.
I hope for constructive, respectful criticism.
So the trench is part of this 6 m (20 feet) setback from the property line? The red line:
indicates the building boundary, and then there is the 6 m (20 feet) area, of which the first 1 to 2 m (3 to 6 feet) slope down, and the remaining 4 m (13 feet) are kind of lower?
And yes, try to determine the tree location a bit more precisely.
indicates the building boundary, and then there is the 6 m (20 feet) area, of which the first 1 to 2 m (3 to 6 feet) slope down, and the remaining 4 m (13 feet) are kind of lower?
And yes, try to determine the tree location a bit more precisely.
Grit Stephan9 May 2018 08:49kbt09 schrieb:
So the ditch is included in the 6 m (20 ft) distance to the property boundary? The red line means the building limit, and then 6 m (20 ft), of which the first 1 to 2 m (3 to 6 ft) slope down and the remaining 4 m (13 ft) are basically lower?
And yes, try to determine the tree position a bit more precisely.No, of the 6 meters (20 ft), about 1-2 meters (3 to 6 ft) are incline, and the rest of the ditch should belong to the municipality. But strictly speaking, only an official authority can confirm that. So 4 meters (13 ft) are level at the top. But that is the row that still needs to be planted with trees. This means the house would then be close to both the ditch and the trees. That’s why we were thinking of placing the house closer to the building limit to the north. I will measure again and maybe take another picture...
And here is the floor plan... As I said, the living room and kitchen are fine... The rest is not really working. Also, the door from the bathroom to the utility room—I could live with it, but Stephan doesn’t like it. The utility room would be right next to the bathroom and also the laundry room... But the question is what the bathroom layout should look like. Also, whether the storage room really makes sense like that... And the office should preferably be accessed from somewhere else, not from the kitchen.
Grit Stephan9 May 2018 12:08I’m not sure how else to explain it... The 6-meter (20 feet) building setback line is partly at the top, but 1-2 meters (3-6.5 feet) of it is on a slope. The slope is gentler toward the southeast and steeper toward the west.
Since the house requires additional foundation work to reach the height of the public sewer shaft in the street, I would prefer not to build right on the setback line. Otherwise, the trench might also need to be backfilled and stabilized.
(Our access road connects to that street only after 20 meters (65 feet).)
So if we build near the trench, we really need to measure again how far back we can go without causing problems with the trench or the additional foundation. But I’d need to check this for your floor plan just as carefully as for my single-story house because I wouldn’t want to place it too far forward either.
The tree stands approximately 20 or 22 meters (65 to 72 feet) from the street corner along the building setback line and about 20 meters (65 feet) from the property corner to the southeast.
I can’t upload any data with my phone... so no pictures for now, maybe I can do it this evening.
Since the house requires additional foundation work to reach the height of the public sewer shaft in the street, I would prefer not to build right on the setback line. Otherwise, the trench might also need to be backfilled and stabilized.
(Our access road connects to that street only after 20 meters (65 feet).)
So if we build near the trench, we really need to measure again how far back we can go without causing problems with the trench or the additional foundation. But I’d need to check this for your floor plan just as carefully as for my single-story house because I wouldn’t want to place it too far forward either.
The tree stands approximately 20 or 22 meters (65 to 72 feet) from the street corner along the building setback line and about 20 meters (65 feet) from the property corner to the southeast.
I can’t upload any data with my phone... so no pictures for now, maybe I can do it this evening.
Grit Stephan schrieb:
But it’s definitely a few thousand more. Just comparing an L-shaped bungalow to a rectangular one. And in this case, the roof is even larger than for 132 sqm (1420 sq ft) of living space, since the roof area includes more than just the living area.
Also, the interior space between the three rectangles likely requires a foundation slab as well. For the bricklayer, the corners only mean a little extra effort. The roof design here is not complicated either. Whether or not you cover the terrace is not dictated by the floor plan. The terrace’s foundation slab—if you choose to have one—should not be cast as a single piece together with the house’s slab for thermal reasons.
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Grit Stephan9 May 2018 22:23@kbt09 as requested, here is a photo of the trench...
We might add some fill here to make the slope a bit gentler. Further back, it is steeper. However, we would prefer the house not to be so close to the trench.
We might add some fill here to make the slope a bit gentler. Further back, it is steeper. However, we would prefer the house not to be so close to the trench.
Grit Stephan2 Nov 2019 07:17Hello,
to complete the topic basically, here is our implementation.
Thanks to all of you for your ideas and tips.
The shell is up and we are very happy with our decision. It didn’t become an 8x17 bungalow.
There was simply no solution that we fully liked to fit all rooms on the ground floor.
But I replaced windows with patio doors facing the garden and ditch.
This picture is still missing 3 walls, which will be constructed with drywall.
Attic:
We decided on an expandable pitched roof (living space approx. 50 sqm (540 sq ft)). Thanks to Nordlys!!
It will be insulated “soon”. We will build the two children’s bedrooms ourselves in the attic (drywall construction, underfloor heating). Heating and electrical installations are prepared accordingly and can also be implemented by us. Each gable side will have equally sized floor-to-ceiling windows. Roof windows for the hallway (staircase area) and the small bathroom upstairs are included.
Ground floor:
The children’s room 1 indicated on the ground floor will become my office after the attic is completed.
The living area receives sun from early morning until evening. That was an idea I took from the forum to include in our planning—to bring light into the living room also from the south.
Only the bedroom, I maybe should have made 10 to 20 cm (4 to 8 inches) wider. But that’s more a feeling than a real need. No extra space is required. (The long wardrobe is only temporarily in the bedroom; it will be moved to the office.)
The living area certainly feels quite “rectangular.” But with furnishing and wall design, it will be relaxed. And the two terraces (connected at the corner), accessible from the kitchen’s patio door and the living room’s middle patio door, are an essential part of this living space for us and will be furnished accordingly, partly covered.
We widened the door to the guest toilet. It is still shown too narrow in the drawing.
Best regards
Addition: The poplar tree was cut down. This was already planned in the development plan with different new planting.
to complete the topic basically, here is our implementation.
Thanks to all of you for your ideas and tips.
The shell is up and we are very happy with our decision. It didn’t become an 8x17 bungalow.
There was simply no solution that we fully liked to fit all rooms on the ground floor.
But I replaced windows with patio doors facing the garden and ditch.
This picture is still missing 3 walls, which will be constructed with drywall.
Attic:
We decided on an expandable pitched roof (living space approx. 50 sqm (540 sq ft)). Thanks to Nordlys!!
It will be insulated “soon”. We will build the two children’s bedrooms ourselves in the attic (drywall construction, underfloor heating). Heating and electrical installations are prepared accordingly and can also be implemented by us. Each gable side will have equally sized floor-to-ceiling windows. Roof windows for the hallway (staircase area) and the small bathroom upstairs are included.
Ground floor:
The children’s room 1 indicated on the ground floor will become my office after the attic is completed.
The living area receives sun from early morning until evening. That was an idea I took from the forum to include in our planning—to bring light into the living room also from the south.
Only the bedroom, I maybe should have made 10 to 20 cm (4 to 8 inches) wider. But that’s more a feeling than a real need. No extra space is required. (The long wardrobe is only temporarily in the bedroom; it will be moved to the office.)
The living area certainly feels quite “rectangular.” But with furnishing and wall design, it will be relaxed. And the two terraces (connected at the corner), accessible from the kitchen’s patio door and the living room’s middle patio door, are an essential part of this living space for us and will be furnished accordingly, partly covered.
We widened the door to the guest toilet. It is still shown too narrow in the drawing.
Best regards
Addition: The poplar tree was cut down. This was already planned in the development plan with different new planting.
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