Hello everyone,
finally, we have reached an important step… the plot is signed for.
We want to build with an architect and already have some ideas about what we like and what we don’t.
We definitely want to give the architect the opportunity to apply their expertise regarding the floor plan… maybe they can convince us.
But if not, we are currently (almost) quite happy with this self-drawn floor plan.
A few key facts…
Plot size: 660 sqm (about 7100 sq ft), floor area ratio 0.4, no slope, approximately 26m x 25m (85 ft x 82 ft)
Longest building side allowed: max. 15m (about 49 ft)
L-shaped bungalow with covered terrace (southwest side)
We want to build with a basement. This should have windows with natural daylight behind the garage on the east side. There will be 2–3 living rooms down there (playroom, hobby room, later for the kids or grandparents if necessary).
The roof will not be converted into a living space — 20-22° (degrees) pitch, hip roof, for aesthetic reasons.
We know that a basement is more expensive than a second floor, etc. The budget is roughly 650,000–700,000 (currency).
Utility room, laundry room, sauna, etc. will all be located in the basement since there is enough space. 🙂
Now to the floor plan:
We like an open design with a large entrance area.
What we like about this floor plan:
Children’s area separated from parents
Connection from the garage with access to the storage room and basement
Access from kitchen and living room to the terrace possible
Master bedroom with direct view of the garden on the southeast side (in summer the shutters are closed anyway)
Children’s rooms with windows facing west, slightly southwest.
Open questions…
Are the children’s rooms too narrow at almost 3m (about 10 ft)?
Is the living room too narrow at almost 4.5m (about 15 ft)?
The L-shape at the terrace is about 3m (10 ft) deep — here we could possibly adjust a bit to enlarge the children’s rooms.
My wife doesn’t like that the kitchen is visible directly from the entrance area.
(I prefer the kitchen visibility over the living room couch). What do you think is better or worse?
The kitchen window is on the south side, possibly too much sun… maybe we should add an awning if needed.
I can’t fit a second toilet elsewhere without making the children’s rooms even smaller… so it will remain a guest toilet for the parents.
Is a door between the entrance area and the living area for a windbreak useful, or unnecessary? (We have underfloor heating.)
(Maybe a hidden interior door, but I’m unsure what happens if it gets damaged.)
The floor area ratio will be tight… 15m x 15m = 225 sqm (about 11,200 sq ft) + garage + driveway… we might need to reduce the width a bit.
660 sqm x 0.4 = 264 sqm (about 2,840 sq ft).
I have seen many floor plans here… wishes and practicality have to match somewhere.
I’m really curious about the experts’ opinions…
Is it rubbish or usable?
Thanks
finally, we have reached an important step… the plot is signed for.
We want to build with an architect and already have some ideas about what we like and what we don’t.
We definitely want to give the architect the opportunity to apply their expertise regarding the floor plan… maybe they can convince us.
But if not, we are currently (almost) quite happy with this self-drawn floor plan.
A few key facts…
Plot size: 660 sqm (about 7100 sq ft), floor area ratio 0.4, no slope, approximately 26m x 25m (85 ft x 82 ft)
Longest building side allowed: max. 15m (about 49 ft)
L-shaped bungalow with covered terrace (southwest side)
We want to build with a basement. This should have windows with natural daylight behind the garage on the east side. There will be 2–3 living rooms down there (playroom, hobby room, later for the kids or grandparents if necessary).
The roof will not be converted into a living space — 20-22° (degrees) pitch, hip roof, for aesthetic reasons.
We know that a basement is more expensive than a second floor, etc. The budget is roughly 650,000–700,000 (currency).
Utility room, laundry room, sauna, etc. will all be located in the basement since there is enough space. 🙂
Now to the floor plan:
We like an open design with a large entrance area.
What we like about this floor plan:
Children’s area separated from parents
Connection from the garage with access to the storage room and basement
Access from kitchen and living room to the terrace possible
Master bedroom with direct view of the garden on the southeast side (in summer the shutters are closed anyway)
Children’s rooms with windows facing west, slightly southwest.
Open questions…
Are the children’s rooms too narrow at almost 3m (about 10 ft)?
Is the living room too narrow at almost 4.5m (about 15 ft)?
The L-shape at the terrace is about 3m (10 ft) deep — here we could possibly adjust a bit to enlarge the children’s rooms.
My wife doesn’t like that the kitchen is visible directly from the entrance area.
(I prefer the kitchen visibility over the living room couch). What do you think is better or worse?
The kitchen window is on the south side, possibly too much sun… maybe we should add an awning if needed.
I can’t fit a second toilet elsewhere without making the children’s rooms even smaller… so it will remain a guest toilet for the parents.
Is a door between the entrance area and the living area for a windbreak useful, or unnecessary? (We have underfloor heating.)
(Maybe a hidden interior door, but I’m unsure what happens if it gets damaged.)
The floor area ratio will be tight… 15m x 15m = 225 sqm (about 11,200 sq ft) + garage + driveway… we might need to reduce the width a bit.
660 sqm x 0.4 = 264 sqm (about 2,840 sq ft).
I have seen many floor plans here… wishes and practicality have to match somewhere.
I’m really curious about the experts’ opinions…
Is it rubbish or usable?
Thanks
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Fummelbrett!21 Apr 2021 17:13I fully agree with haydee – set up two children's bedrooms upstairs and a small shower bathroom. A luxury option would be pre-installed kitchen connections. Once the kids have moved out, you’ll have a great guest, office, or care service floor up there.
Iotafreak schrieb:
I tried rotating @Evolith’s version, meaning all bedrooms plus the bathroom are placed along the long side, which makes the rooms larger. That won’t fit. You can see for yourself: a bedroom entrance like a tunnel...
Iotafreak schrieb:
I would also completely remove the first wall to the kids’ rooms... So the mail carrier gets a clear view through the transparent glass entrance right into the children’s privacy again? At the end of the cable duct, the light comes on at night, and you can see everything from the street...
You should be aware that if you’re already thinking about your relaxation spaces like the bedroom or couch and don’t want them facing north or directly in the line of sight, then you should protect the children twice as much in situations like this. What applies to you should apply twice as much to the kids. It’s your responsibility to provide protection for them. I don’t mean overprotectiveness, just to consider things like privacy for children, not just for the two of you. The children are dependent, and you’re building the house for a family, not for a couple where maybe one child might come in the future.
haydee schrieb:
If you want such a strict separation between kids and parents Apparently, separation doesn’t even have to be strict. But planning three bedrooms adequately within an approximately 15x15 meter (50x50 feet) layout is quite difficult, especially if the builder doesn’t want a window facing north, doesn’t want anything in the middle, and so on. The alternative would certainly be placing the kids’ rooms on the north side, but then the architect has to handle that 😉 Everyone has their principles here 😀
A small workaround would be to extend the building or add a bay window beyond the 15-meter (50 feet) limit, but that’s not possible if everything is covered and so it doesn’t qualify as a traditional bay window.
I’ve always liked @Evolith’s design; it’s definitely not the standard that every general contractor offers. But even Evolith would now give their bedroom a bit more space to move around. If I were to use their design as a template, I would allow the wardrobe a bit more space behind the door.
In your latest design, @Iotafreak, the drawback is that in the bedroom you have a side wall of a wardrobe right in the way, which doesn’t offer much space either because the room is almost cut off. You waste valuable west-facing window area on the garage, while the children hardly get to enjoy any sunlight. Also, one child doesn’t get proper rest because their room faces the street 😎 (according to your own words). Where would there be space for a light well now? The property just ends to the east...
So I’m curious what the architect will plan. You can always be surprised 🙂
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Iotafreak21 Apr 2021 21:54Oh guys, I was hoping for some help here, but it has become even more complicated... everyone has a point somewhere... Let’s see what the architect says... I’ll get back to you in a few weeks...
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Iotafreak21 Apr 2021 21:56We want a maximum of 22 DN for aesthetic reasons... if it would result in 50 sqm (538 sq ft)... immediately.
Although I don't really find roof windows suitable as children's room windows.
QUOTE="Fummelbrett!, post: 490995, member: 49628"]
I fully agree with haydee – set up two children's rooms upstairs and a small shower bathroom. A luxury option would be pre-installed kitchen connections. When the kids have moved out, you have a great guest, office, or care service floor upstairs.
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Although I don't really find roof windows suitable as children's room windows.
QUOTE="Fummelbrett!, post: 490995, member: 49628"]
I fully agree with haydee – set up two children's rooms upstairs and a small shower bathroom. A luxury option would be pre-installed kitchen connections. When the kids have moved out, you have a great guest, office, or care service floor upstairs.
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