ᐅ Building without antenna and satellite or coaxial cables without conduit?
Created on: 6 Jun 2020 12:18
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kati1337
Hello,
we received the additional electrical work quote today (ouch), and the contractor is basically getting very little because we decided to remove both the antenna and satellite connections.
Now I’m wondering if we are really that far off base or if I missed something. The antenna is that old-fashioned cable through which you could only receive channels like ARD, ZDF, and some regional channels back in the ’90s, right? Are there more channels available via antenna now? Is it even necessary? Does everyone just “have one”?
We currently have a satellite dish on the roof, but I believe the last time we actually used it was... I don’t know, 8 years ago?
So we were thinking about not installing a satellite connection at all. We simply don’t watch TV via satellite. I hate commercials, and when we do watch anything, it’s through streaming services. Plus, in our free time, we mostly do other things than watch TV anyway.
Are there any compelling reasons why we should still have satellite or antenna connections installed that I might be overlooking?
Topic 2: The electrical quote states that the CAT cables will be installed without conduits. I would prefer them to be installed with conduits so they can be replaced if needed in the future. Would you go for that? Or is it unnecessary?
we received the additional electrical work quote today (ouch), and the contractor is basically getting very little because we decided to remove both the antenna and satellite connections.
Now I’m wondering if we are really that far off base or if I missed something. The antenna is that old-fashioned cable through which you could only receive channels like ARD, ZDF, and some regional channels back in the ’90s, right? Are there more channels available via antenna now? Is it even necessary? Does everyone just “have one”?
We currently have a satellite dish on the roof, but I believe the last time we actually used it was... I don’t know, 8 years ago?
So we were thinking about not installing a satellite connection at all. We simply don’t watch TV via satellite. I hate commercials, and when we do watch anything, it’s through streaming services. Plus, in our free time, we mostly do other things than watch TV anyway.
Are there any compelling reasons why we should still have satellite or antenna connections installed that I might be overlooking?
Topic 2: The electrical quote states that the CAT cables will be installed without conduits. I would prefer them to be installed with conduits so they can be replaced if needed in the future. Would you go for that? Or is it unnecessary?
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knalltüte6 Jun 2020 13:40Well, that’s quite a bargain: Gira access point double socket FR max. 20€ (about 22 USD), with 1m (3 ft) cable to the electrical panel.
The issue with connecting it yourself is not about the warranty, etc.
Unfortunately, I can’t really advise you. Personally, I wouldn’t accept the offer (and would do it myself since I’m fortunate enough to be able to).
Maybe ask another electrician afterward.
The pricing breakdown is always, hmm, how should I say it, frustrating?
What was missing in budget before seems to be double charged here.
Maybe have everything done except the switch, and only one socket, but a double one? For warranty reasons… not an ideal situation...
… and definitely don’t accept the patch cables either. 4.5€ (about 5 USD) is not too expensive for good patch cables. But I bet it will be the 95-cent version, like in all the network installations I’ve seen done by general contractors so far.
The issue with connecting it yourself is not about the warranty, etc.
Unfortunately, I can’t really advise you. Personally, I wouldn’t accept the offer (and would do it myself since I’m fortunate enough to be able to).
Maybe ask another electrician afterward.
The pricing breakdown is always, hmm, how should I say it, frustrating?
What was missing in budget before seems to be double charged here.
Maybe have everything done except the switch, and only one socket, but a double one? For warranty reasons… not an ideal situation...
… and definitely don’t accept the patch cables either. 4.5€ (about 5 USD) is not too expensive for good patch cables. But I bet it will be the 95-cent version, like in all the network installations I’ve seen done by general contractors so far.
superzapp schrieb:
Well, that’s quite a bargain: Gira access point double socket FR Max. €20,
1m cable to the electrical panel.
The problem with installing it yourself isn’t about the warranty, etc.
Unfortunately, I can’t give you any advice. Personally, I wouldn’t accept the offer
(and do it myself since I’m fortunate enough to know how to).
Maybe ask a different electrician later.
The upselling is always, hmm, how should I put it, unpleasant?
What was missing in the budget before now apparently needs to be made up for doubly here.
Maybe have them do everything except the switch, and only one socket,
but a double one? For warranty reasons… Not an ideal situation…
… and of course don’t take the patch cables either. €4.50 is not too expensive for good patch cables.
But I bet they’ll use the 95-cent version, like in all the general contractor installed network distributions I’ve seen so far. Exactly. I think we will definitely take the sockets. We forgot to include them in the utility room during the upsizing. We had already planned to install the router and such there, so we need to allow for at least one, preferably two, extra sockets there. I’m not even that upset about the price for the wet room socket. I think they just have fixed prices. We have additional sockets distributed throughout the house, each costing €28.50 net regardless whether it’s near the utility room or on another floor on the other side of the house.
But the whole “fool trap” approach with the switch really annoys me (key word credibility), so we will remove everything from the offer that isn’t absolutely essential for us.
A general note on network planning. Are so few ports really enough for you? An 8-port patch panel only accommodates 4 double outlets. Or will you use single outlets only? In that case, you should plan for a few additional switches. Have you considered network outlets for access points?
The switch in the cabinet should have more ports than the patch panel. One port will already be used for the router, and then you still have free ports, for example, for a NAS.
The switch in the cabinet should have more ports than the patch panel. One port will already be used for the router, and then you still have free ports, for example, for a NAS.
hanse987 schrieb:
A general note on network planning. Are so few ports really enough for you? An 8-port patch panel only supports 4 double outlets. Or are you planning single outlets only? In that case, you might want to consider adding a few extra switches. Have you thought about network outlets for access points?
The switch in the rack should have more ports than the patch panel. One port will already be taken by the router, and you’ll want free ports for devices like a NAS. That’s why we basically want to buy and connect our own hardware (such as the switch). An 8-port switch might not be enough for us. We have planned LAN in every room, but only one outlet per room. We actually intend to solve this individually where needed, using access points. Only the office has a double LAN outlet. In most rooms, if there is a device at all, it will probably just be an access point connected to the LAN outlet, which can then redistribute the connection. Everything else just gets too expensive for us. We pay 90€ (net) for a LAN outlet, and 145€ (net) for a duplex outlet.
tomtom79 schrieb:
There is a thread here with 60 pages about SAT and IPTV. By now, all the pros and cons have been listed. Thanks, after your hint with the keyword IPTV, I found it too. The problem with forum searches is always that you don’t find anything if you don’t use the right keyword.
But that thread mostly deals with SAT and IPTV. We have already decided against SAT. However, we are also considering not installing any antenna at all.
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