ᐅ Building in Rural Areas – Converting an Old Barn into a Single-Family Home
Created on: 11 Nov 2024 11:06
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Team_T3
Hello everyone,
My husband, my young son, and I want to build a single-family house on my parents’ property.
We live on an old farmstead (house + barn + garage building) in a rural area outside the village in Bavaria. Unfortunately, my parents’ house, where they also live with us, is becoming too small as the family is growing. Our question to you is whether there is a possibility for us to demolish the barn, which is about 15 x 15 meters (49 x 49 feet) and located about 10 meters (33 feet) away from the parents’ house, and build our own home there.
A few more details: We no longer practice farming but have forestry operations, and the barn likely wouldn’t survive a harsh winter anymore. We cannot remodel or extend my parents’ house because it was built in 1843, and the costs for renovation to current energy standards would be unfeasible.
Water and electricity supply are available.
We would also create a connection to my parents’ house by sharing a new heating system (wood chip boiler).
What do you think our chances are? Do you have any advice on how we should proceed?
Thank you in advance for your help.
My husband, my young son, and I want to build a single-family house on my parents’ property.
We live on an old farmstead (house + barn + garage building) in a rural area outside the village in Bavaria. Unfortunately, my parents’ house, where they also live with us, is becoming too small as the family is growing. Our question to you is whether there is a possibility for us to demolish the barn, which is about 15 x 15 meters (49 x 49 feet) and located about 10 meters (33 feet) away from the parents’ house, and build our own home there.
A few more details: We no longer practice farming but have forestry operations, and the barn likely wouldn’t survive a harsh winter anymore. We cannot remodel or extend my parents’ house because it was built in 1843, and the costs for renovation to current energy standards would be unfeasible.
Water and electricity supply are available.
We would also create a connection to my parents’ house by sharing a new heating system (wood chip boiler).
What do you think our chances are? Do you have any advice on how we should proceed?
Thank you in advance for your help.
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hanghaus202314 Nov 2024 15:25Buchsbaum066 schrieb:
Yes, that would be absolutely no problem for indoor areas. The OP is talking about outdoor areas here. Please read post #6 again.
Buchsbaum066 schrieb:
Let’s take a look at the quoted law.
Projects that serve an agricultural or forestry operation.
A residential house does not serve this purpose. The law is more likely referring to a hunting lodge, a barn, or a machinery shed.
[...] And in Bavaria, they are particularly strict about this. nordanney schrieb:
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theorist and a qualified answer.
That the construction serves the operation can be argued, with the help of an architect, not super easily but still without extreme effort. The overlap between speculation and a qualified answer does not necessarily have to be zero.
I would also consider a forester’s house as covered by the legal purpose. In the case of forester Martin Rombach in Küblach (which does not exist – but if it did, it would undoubtedly be in Bavaria), the manager’s apartment clearly outweighed the office space.
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hanse987 schrieb:
In our region (eastern Bavaria), it is almost standard for the children's new house to be built next to the parents' original farmstead. According to an employee of our local authority, the multi-family dwelling is often planned together with the manager’s apartment.I would apply that here as well, or designate the new building as a retirement house.Schorsch_baut schrieb:
There was a recent change in the building code that is supposed to make it easier for children to build on their parents’ property.Could you please emphasize that (without a link, as you know) with some more details?https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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nordanney14 Nov 2024 16:24hanse987 schrieb:
In our area (Eastern Bavaria), building the children’s new house next to the parents’ old homestead is almost standard practice. Oh, I hadn’t mentioned it before. This is the usual retirement property arrangement.
Quote from the announcement by the Bavarian State Ministry from 2021 – so you have a relevant reference (even though it is regulated similarly throughout Germany).
Therefore, I want to reaffirm my personal assessment that, given the conditions, you should not have any problems with either renovation or new construction. Assuming you have a suitable architect.
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Buchsbaum06614 Nov 2024 17:00This is not about a rural or full-time agricultural business.
Here, people are hiding behind some hypothetical scenarios. The issue is simply about rezoning an existing plot in a rural area for private use by building a single-family house. And that is not going to happen.
The public interest lies in not allowing exceptions. That’s just how it is in Germany. The legislation is unfriendly to families. The building authorities immediately bring up concerns about fragmenting the landscape, landscape protection, and many other issues. I also have a 3000m² (0.7 acres) plot in a rural area. However, it is only my property considered rural land.
Below is the built-up area with residential buildings; above is also built-up residential area. Behind is the forest.
There is no chance of obtaining building land, even though the village has only about 3,000 residents and only one available building plot. On my land, at least five houses could be built, with access roads completely crossing my property.
But the municipality doesn't want that.
I don’t understand why anyone would give the original poster false hope of getting a building permit / planning permission here.
Here, people are hiding behind some hypothetical scenarios. The issue is simply about rezoning an existing plot in a rural area for private use by building a single-family house. And that is not going to happen.
The public interest lies in not allowing exceptions. That’s just how it is in Germany. The legislation is unfriendly to families. The building authorities immediately bring up concerns about fragmenting the landscape, landscape protection, and many other issues. I also have a 3000m² (0.7 acres) plot in a rural area. However, it is only my property considered rural land.
Below is the built-up area with residential buildings; above is also built-up residential area. Behind is the forest.
There is no chance of obtaining building land, even though the village has only about 3,000 residents and only one available building plot. On my land, at least five houses could be built, with access roads completely crossing my property.
But the municipality doesn't want that.
I don’t understand why anyone would give the original poster false hope of getting a building permit / planning permission here.
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nordanney14 Nov 2024 17:21Buchsbaum066 schrieb:
This is not about a rural or full-time forestry business. Team_T3 schrieb:
We operate … a forestry business Reading helps. And full-time operation is not required. Find an architect and most likely build.
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