ᐅ Building a Sauna Yourself with a Sloped Ceiling – Suggestions, Tips, and Planning Advice

Created on: 24 Nov 2020 10:14
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matte
Hello! [IMG alt=" 🙂"]https://saunabauen.de/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif[/IMG]

I’d like to start this thread to get help and feedback on my plan to build a sauna myself. Of course, this thread can also be used for any topics related to sauna construction.

We decided to get a sauna, and since a prefabricated kit was not an option and a custom build was too expensive, I decided to take matters into my own hands.

When we built our house three years ago, we reserved space for a sauna at the top near the roof terrace. Unfortunately, instead of a planned flat roof, we had to install a sloped roof to get the building permit / planning permission.
This results in a roof slope with knee wall height of 1.81m (5 ft 11 in) clear height.
There is a floor area of 2.10m (83 inches) wide and 1.91m (75 inches) deep available.

The height is additionally limited by a fresh air vent on the higher side. The bottom edge of the vent is located at 2.05m (6 ft 9 in) above the finished floor level.
My idea is to build the sauna ceiling at 2.05m (6 ft 9 in) height to still be able to access this vent if necessary. According to my plan, the clear interior height inside the sauna would then be about 1.995m (6 ft 6.5 in).

The sauna will be surrounded on three sides by exterior walls (Poroton T9 masonry).

The ceiling is attached directly to the beams and vapor barrier, without counter battens. This was necessary because otherwise the terrace door would not be able to open. The architect missed that... : [IMG alt=":roll:"]https://saunabauen.de/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif[/IMG]
The floor is fine stoneware tiles on a screed layer with underfloor heating.

We have a three-phase power supply with 5x2.5mm² cable and a cable length of about 20m (66 ft). According to an electrician, this line should not restrict the project.

Since space is quite tight, I want to keep the wall construction as thin as possible.

Planned wall build-up:
1. Masonry with plaster
2. Vertical battens (24x48mm / 1x2 inches) with 24mm (1 inch) air gap for ventilation
3. OSB boards 15mm (0.6 inch)
4. KVH timber beams 40x60mm (1.5x2.5 inches), positioned so the 40mm (1.5 inch) side accommodates insulation
5. 40mm (1.5 inch) wood fiber insulation inside
6. No vapor barrier
7. 15mm (0.6 inch) profiled battens mounted horizontally

Now my questions:

1. Is my wall build-up feasible, or am I trying to save too much space? This would leave an interior floor dimension of nearly 1.92m x 1.75m (6 ft 3.5 in x 5 ft 9 in).
I’m 1.84m (6 ft 0.5 in) tall, so I should still have enough room to lie down comfortably.

2. We want to install a full glass door with a side panel to enjoy the outdoor view.
We plan to use 8mm (0.3 inch) tempered safety glass (ESG). Is that okay, or can this cause issues near the heater?

3. How do you connect the glass wall to the sauna structure? I thought about routing a groove around the KVH timber to set the glass in. Is that a good approach?
For the floor, I read that someone placed the glass on a silicone mat which was then trimmed flush. That sounds like a good solution to me.

3. The sauna floor area is 3.34m² (36 ft²) with an interior height of 1.995m (6 ft 6.5 in). Ignoring the slope, that gives a volume of 6.66m³ (235 ft³).
I read that for a glass door you add 1.5m³ (53 ft³) and for a glass wall the area (1.5m² / 16 ft²) multiplied by 1.2 as additional volume.
So, I’d end up with a total volume of 9.66m³ (341 ft³) and chose a 9kW heater accordingly. Does that sound right or oversized? I’m currently leaning towards the "Harvia The Wall" with external control.

4. Due to the heater’s position, there is essentially no room for a heater guard between the glass wall and heater. Is a guard necessary in a private sauna? I’m not too worried about it, but my wife is concerned.
The alternative would be to shift the lower bench slightly under the upper bench and move the heater, which would create space for a guard.
Alternatively, there is a glass protective shield with integrated lighting available that mounts in front of the heater. Would that be enough? I’m not too keen on wooden guards though... [IMG alt=";)"]https://saunabauen.de/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif[/IMG]

5. A coworker recommended bench heights of 60cm and 120cm (24 and 47 inches). That would cause problems with the sauna height. I was thinking about 45cm and 90cm (18 and 35 inches) instead. Since we don’t want it very hot anyway, I see no reason for higher benches.

6. To avoid further reducing the roof slope height, I considered skipping the OSB boards there and mounting the KVH beams directly at a 24mm (1 inch) gap (batten distance) from the ceiling. Any issues with that?

7. We prefer the look of horizontally mounted profiled battens. Any objections? Given the tight space, I would skip additional rear ventilation. From what I’ve read, that’s not strictly necessary.

8. In my case, would it be better to use a different insulation material with a vapor barrier instead of wood fiber insulation?

9. The left wall with the glass door will be clad on the outside with profiled wood boards as well. This way I could install an access panel above the sauna to reach the fresh air vent if needed. Also, I could place the electronics for lighting and audio on the ceiling, making them accessible.
Can I mount the cladding boards directly on the KVH beams, or is an additional counter batten or similar required?
I want the wall to finish flush with the terrace door frame. To prevent the terrace door (especially the handle) from hitting the wall, I plan to install a stopper mounted on the KVH timber there.

That’s it for now. I’m curious what you think about my plan. I hope my post is not too long... [IMG alt=":?"]https://saunabauen.de/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif[/IMG]

I’m attaching some pictures to show the current planning status. If you need more info, just ask.

Looking forward to any feedback [IMG alt=";)"]https://saunabauen.de/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif[/IMG]

Thanks in advance!

Best regards

Loft room with staircase, wooden cabinet, books, window on the right; bright and tidy.


Floor plan of a sauna room with heater, wooden bench, door, insulation, and dimensions


Cross section of a sauna with glass door, seating benches, Harvia 9 kW heater, and dimensions.


Small storage room with pink cabinets/shelves in front of a brick wall, gray door on the right.


3D rendering of an open elevator with glass front in front of a brick wall, pink interior walls and shelves.


3D model: interior with green-blue steel beams over brown floor panels, brick wall on the right.
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matte
3 Mar 2021 08:48
A new chapter in the never-ending story with the shop in Estonia, where I ordered some components for the sauna and paid with PayPal:

At first, there were major problems with the shop regarding the delivery, so I opened a case with PayPal.

Later on, the order was delivered, but it included the wrong sauna controller. I then updated the PayPal case to request a refund only for the controller, stating that I was willing to return the wrong controller if the seller covered the shipping costs.

Since they clearly had no idea what they were doing, they offered me a full refund if I returned everything, but I would have to cover the return shipping costs.
Okay, so I only sent back the controller and communicated that I expected a refund for it (about 30% of the total amount).
I got the return shipping costs reimbursed by PayPal (nice offer, by the way).

Over the weekend, the seller contacted me by email (not via the PayPal case) to say that they had received the controller and wanted to refund that amount via PayPal.
However, they said I had to close the case first because they couldn’t refund me while the case was still open.
I replied that I wouldn’t close the case first since that would leave me with no protection. I told them to contact PayPal to find a solution. After that, they stopped responding.

This all felt suspicious to me, so I asked PayPal. They confirmed my doubts and strongly advised against closing the case before I had received my money back.

The seller hasn’t contacted me since then. Today, the deadline expired, and PayPal refunded the full order amount. 🙄 😀

What does this mean for me now?
I have no problem paying for the goods I received, but I don’t see why I should constantly deal with this chaotic seller, so I’m actually inclined to say nothing further.
I really did everything possible not to hinder a smooth process.

What happens next? Am I now required to get in touch with the seller?

Has anyone else experienced a similar problem?

The glazier unfortunately gave me the delivery date of March 18th, so it will still be a while before we can start heating up… nevermind.

Thanks!
Nida35a3 Mar 2021 09:41
Sit back,
and enjoy the sauna from the end of March,
the rest will sort itself out,
you still have an overview
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pagoni2020
3 Mar 2021 09:55
Isn’t it nice to sit on the longer side of the lever sometimes? Especially in the cozy sauna...? Wommmm.....

The seller must/will present their claim to you (or not), and you will respond to it and pay if it is valid.
Schimi17913 Mar 2021 10:39
Is there actually a cost breakdown for the project? 🙂
M
matte
3 Mar 2021 10:59
Schimi1791 schrieb:

Is there actually a cost breakdown for the project? 🙂


Color-coded table with hardware store items, prices, quantities, and totals.


Additionally, tools amounting to €650 (about $700). The main expenses there are for the miter saw and the circular saw.
I can’t provide the cost for the glass front yet, but it should be reasonably estimated at around €450 (about $485).
Nida35a3 Mar 2021 11:36
You can exclude the time spent on planning and building from the engineering hours.