Hello.
As our house construction is gradually progressing, I wanted to start planning the garage (not part of the main contractor’s scope).
Basically, I am thinking of a garage about 4.5 x 7.5 m (15 x 25 feet).
It can be a precast concrete garage or a masonry structure (wood or metal are not options). I’m fairly flexible regarding the roof structure.
I’ve checked with precast concrete garage manufacturers (what a mouthful 😀 ), but usually the width stops at under 4 m (13 feet). A double garage starting at 5.5 m (18 feet) wide is too large for my space.
What other options are there?
Assuming one builds a masonry garage, how would you approach it? Contact architects? What kind of prices are typical (rough estimate)?
Thanks a lot for your advice.
Andi
As our house construction is gradually progressing, I wanted to start planning the garage (not part of the main contractor’s scope).
Basically, I am thinking of a garage about 4.5 x 7.5 m (15 x 25 feet).
It can be a precast concrete garage or a masonry structure (wood or metal are not options). I’m fairly flexible regarding the roof structure.
I’ve checked with precast concrete garage manufacturers (what a mouthful 😀 ), but usually the width stops at under 4 m (13 feet). A double garage starting at 5.5 m (18 feet) wide is too large for my space.
What other options are there?
Assuming one builds a masonry garage, how would you approach it? Contact architects? What kind of prices are typical (rough estimate)?
Thanks a lot for your advice.
Andi
B
Bauexperte9 Oct 2013 11:17Hello Andi,
If you work in increments of 50 cm (20 inches), it won’t be quite as expensive. So, 4.50 meters (15 feet) x 7.50 meters (25 feet) instead of 4.60 meters (15 feet) x 7.60 meters (25 feet), etc. 😀
They have to use cranes; obviously.
Send me a private message so I know who I’m dealing with, and I’ll send you a contact.
Talk to my contact; he will probably refer you to a local representative. If that also fails due to costs — or if you’re already in contact with him — I have another contact for a carport manufacturer. With them, the project should work out — also regarding the budget.
Best regards, Bauexperte
Brisch schrieb:
Hmm, the only reason is the driveway paving, which is exactly 4.6 meters (15 feet) wide at the end of the garage... I’m not strictly fixed on the 4.6 meters (15 feet); it could be up to 20 cm (8 inches) less (not much less, as I want enough space for the car and motorcycles), but also up to 40 cm (16 inches) more (my partner won’t allow much more, otherwise her “little garden” gets too small 🙁 ).
In terms of length, I’m “relatively flexible” between 7 and 8 meters (23 to 26 feet) ... just not less (space issue) or more (partner issue).
If you work in increments of 50 cm (20 inches), it won’t be quite as expensive. So, 4.50 meters (15 feet) x 7.50 meters (25 feet) instead of 4.60 meters (15 feet) x 7.60 meters (25 feet), etc. 😀
Brisch schrieb:
Most ready-mix concrete suppliers say they deliver the entire volume to the installation site... which of course is a problem for width, especially since our driveway is only 3 meters (10 feet) wide... the gap between our house and the neighbor’s is 6 meters (20 feet), but unfortunately there’s a non-removable 1.8-meter (6 feet) high fence in the middle 🙁
They have to use cranes; obviously.
Brisch schrieb:
Do you have any other “ideas,” or should I just “give up” on the project with this “meager budget”?
Send me a private message so I know who I’m dealing with, and I’ll send you a contact.
Brisch schrieb:
I’m actually at the point where I would pave the ground myself and set up a carport on spot foundations... also as a DIY (assembly) project, which I would then clad with wood afterwards. It wouldn’t even have to be a finished carport... I could get the wood material locally from the sawmill here if I could tell them exactly what I need... and that’s where the plan falls apart again (lack of a plan)...
Talk to my contact; he will probably refer you to a local representative. If that also fails due to costs — or if you’re already in contact with him — I have another contact for a carport manufacturer. With them, the project should work out — also regarding the budget.
Best regards, Bauexperte
Phew, what a challenge... bit by bit, I’m starting to give up on my garage dream.
Precast concrete garages seem to only be possible at prices way above my budget... the last offer, even when combining parts, was around 22,000 € (about 22k) 🙁.
A wooden carport with cladding is practically off the table as well...
That leaves metal garages, which I actually don’t want at all 🙁
I’ve spent some more time talking with a bricklayer friend and researching online.
What’s actually the downside of building it myself?
Basically, with some help from my bricklayer colleague, it shouldn’t be rocket science, right?
Speaking as a layperson, I would just need:
0. Structural engineer assessment?! – if needed, around 500 €
1. Strip foundation (+ slab) – I have a quote for 2,800 € (including earthworks)
2. Bitumen/glue for bonding and sealing the first row of blocks – costs around 100 €, maybe (uncertain)
3. Mortar for the first row of blocks – cost unclear but probably not much
4. Mortar for the rest of the horizontal joints – cost unclear but probably not much
5. Blocks (aerated concrete?) for 3 walls plus the front two sides (each 30 cm (12 inches)) – costs totally unclear, I’d need to ask
6. Tools and aids (spirit level, etc.) – max 500 €, maybe
7. One standard lintel for the side door – cost totally unclear, I’d need to ask
8. One lintel over 4 m (13 ft) for the sectional door – cost totally unclear, I’d need to ask
9. Sectional door (there are plenty of options) – about 3,000 € (maybe a bit less)
10. Door with frame – around 500 €, maybe less
11. U-profile blocks for the ring beam – cost totally unclear, need to ask
12. Steel reinforcement for the ring beam – cost totally unclear, need to ask
13. Concrete to fill the ring beam – I already have this
14. Cross beams (at least 12 x 12 x 500 cm (5 x 5 x 197 inches), maybe larger) for the roof structure – cost totally unclear, need to ask
15. Roof battens – cost totally unclear, need to ask
16. Roof covering – cost totally unclear, need to ask
17. Drainage – about 500 €, maybe less
18. TIME
Do you perhaps have some rough "estimates" for the items marked in red?
What I’m still not totally sure about is how important it is to include a drip edge / fascia board – and especially how the roof structure should be designed to achieve a 1-2% slope.
For better overview, here are the key details again:
- Width x length x height: 4.6 m x 7.5–8 m x 2.5 m
- Flat roof (covering e.g., bitumen membrane or similar, preferably cheap and permanently watertight) with a slope to the rear
- Door: sectional door with electric opener approx. 4 x 2 m
- One side door (simple design)
- Rainwater drainage at the back
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Andi
Precast concrete garages seem to only be possible at prices way above my budget... the last offer, even when combining parts, was around 22,000 € (about 22k) 🙁.
A wooden carport with cladding is practically off the table as well...
That leaves metal garages, which I actually don’t want at all 🙁
I’ve spent some more time talking with a bricklayer friend and researching online.
What’s actually the downside of building it myself?
Basically, with some help from my bricklayer colleague, it shouldn’t be rocket science, right?
Speaking as a layperson, I would just need:
0. Structural engineer assessment?! – if needed, around 500 €
1. Strip foundation (+ slab) – I have a quote for 2,800 € (including earthworks)
2. Bitumen/glue for bonding and sealing the first row of blocks – costs around 100 €, maybe (uncertain)
3. Mortar for the first row of blocks – cost unclear but probably not much
4. Mortar for the rest of the horizontal joints – cost unclear but probably not much
5. Blocks (aerated concrete?) for 3 walls plus the front two sides (each 30 cm (12 inches)) – costs totally unclear, I’d need to ask
6. Tools and aids (spirit level, etc.) – max 500 €, maybe
7. One standard lintel for the side door – cost totally unclear, I’d need to ask
8. One lintel over 4 m (13 ft) for the sectional door – cost totally unclear, I’d need to ask
9. Sectional door (there are plenty of options) – about 3,000 € (maybe a bit less)
10. Door with frame – around 500 €, maybe less
11. U-profile blocks for the ring beam – cost totally unclear, need to ask
12. Steel reinforcement for the ring beam – cost totally unclear, need to ask
13. Concrete to fill the ring beam – I already have this
14. Cross beams (at least 12 x 12 x 500 cm (5 x 5 x 197 inches), maybe larger) for the roof structure – cost totally unclear, need to ask
15. Roof battens – cost totally unclear, need to ask
16. Roof covering – cost totally unclear, need to ask
17. Drainage – about 500 €, maybe less
18. TIME
Do you perhaps have some rough "estimates" for the items marked in red?
What I’m still not totally sure about is how important it is to include a drip edge / fascia board – and especially how the roof structure should be designed to achieve a 1-2% slope.
For better overview, here are the key details again:
- Width x length x height: 4.6 m x 7.5–8 m x 2.5 m
- Flat roof (covering e.g., bitumen membrane or similar, preferably cheap and permanently watertight) with a slope to the rear
- Door: sectional door with electric opener approx. 4 x 2 m
- One side door (simple design)
- Rainwater drainage at the back
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
Andi
Rough estimate:
Structural engineer: 500
Foundation: 2800
Adhesive / mortar: 300
Calcium silicate bricks: 1500
Ring beam: 500
Lintel door: 50
Lintel gate: 200
Gate: 2500
Door: 350
Cross beam roof: 800
Roof battens: 600
Roof covering: 600
Drainage: 200
External plaster (materials): 1000
Miscellaneous: 500
Total: 12400
Have I missed something or completely misestimated anything?
Structural engineer: 500
Foundation: 2800
Adhesive / mortar: 300
Calcium silicate bricks: 1500
Ring beam: 500
Lintel door: 50
Lintel gate: 200
Gate: 2500
Door: 350
Cross beam roof: 800
Roof battens: 600
Roof covering: 600
Drainage: 200
External plaster (materials): 1000
Miscellaneous: 500
Total: 12400
Have I missed something or completely misestimated anything?
B
Bauexperte19 Feb 2014 14:14Hello Andi,
I didn’t reply to your recent post because I’m not sure I can help much—I’m just not familiar enough with the material prices in your region of Bavaria.
The cost issue for you arises because your dimensions WxLxH: 4.6 m x 7.5-8 m x 2.5 m (15 ft x 25-26 ft x 8 ft) are outside the standard, and anything that deviates from the usual ends up costing disproportionately more. In this case, the price difference compared to a masonry garage is not as significant since the advantage of standardized production no longer applies. If I assume 8.00 m (26 ft) in depth, your garage—if you have it built by your supplier—would probably cost around 22,000 to 23,000 euros.
If you plan to build the garage yourself, of course you can save money, but I can’t tell if it will be to the extent listed above; as I said, I don’t know the prices in Bavaria. Your purchasing conditions for the materials will be decisive. If you depend on regular retail prices, I believe your total sum above is unlikely to hold. If you can buy the materials through your supplier and they pass on a discount to you, then it might work out—provided you are mostly able to build the garage yourself. If you need to pay for help beyond structural engineering and foundation work, I expect the costs to rise.
Best regards, Bauexperte
I didn’t reply to your recent post because I’m not sure I can help much—I’m just not familiar enough with the material prices in your region of Bavaria.
The cost issue for you arises because your dimensions WxLxH: 4.6 m x 7.5-8 m x 2.5 m (15 ft x 25-26 ft x 8 ft) are outside the standard, and anything that deviates from the usual ends up costing disproportionately more. In this case, the price difference compared to a masonry garage is not as significant since the advantage of standardized production no longer applies. If I assume 8.00 m (26 ft) in depth, your garage—if you have it built by your supplier—would probably cost around 22,000 to 23,000 euros.
Brisch schrieb:
Rough calculation:
Structural engineer: 500
Foundation: 2,800
Adhesive / Mortar: 300
Sand-lime bricks: 1,500
Ring beam: 500
Lintel door: 50
Lintel gate: 200
Gate: 2,500
Door: 350
Cross beams roof: 800
Roof battens: 600
Roof covering: 600
Drainage: 200
Exterior plaster (mat.): 1,000
Miscellaneous: 500
Total: 12,400
Did I miss something or completely misestimate?
If you plan to build the garage yourself, of course you can save money, but I can’t tell if it will be to the extent listed above; as I said, I don’t know the prices in Bavaria. Your purchasing conditions for the materials will be decisive. If you depend on regular retail prices, I believe your total sum above is unlikely to hold. If you can buy the materials through your supplier and they pass on a discount to you, then it might work out—provided you are mostly able to build the garage yourself. If you need to pay for help beyond structural engineering and foundation work, I expect the costs to rise.
Best regards, Bauexperte
Similar topics