ᐅ Bathtub placed in front of window, parapet too low, general contractor is refusing to cooperate
Created on: 20 Sep 2021 14:02
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BananaJoe
Hello everyone,
we are building our house with a general contractor (GC) and have agreed on a fixed price.
In the bathroom, we have a window with a sill height of 1.12 m (3 ft 8 in) finished floor level (FFL), which is partially located above the bathtub and a small shelf (between the bathtub and the exterior wall), on the right side in the picture.

Both I and our expert noticed that according to the building regulations (Hessen), parapet or railing heights must be at least 80 cm (31.5 inches), measured either from finished floor level (which is complied with here) or from any steps, platforms, or similar climbing aids located in front of it (which is not the case here due to the bathtub and shelf). Although we have lockable handles on the upper floor window, our expert says an additional safety measure is required, for example, the installation of a (glass) railing similar to those used on French balconies.
This is also reflected in the recommendations for enforcement of the Hessian Building Code issued by the Ministry of Economic Affairs (marginal note 35.3.1):
“The height of the parapet is generally measured from the top edge of the finished floor to the top edge of the window sill or another fixed parapet-like element, excluding the window frame. If there are elements in front of the parapet, such as cable ducts or ventilation channels, which could be used to climb up, the measurement must be taken from the top edge of those elements.”
Since we have two small children who will eventually bring friends home to play, we strongly believe that some safety provision is necessary here. Our GC, however, sees no need for action because the window has a lockable handle. I have already informed the GC that we would report this issue to the responsible building authority if necessary, so they can verify whether this is compliant (we have built under an exemption procedure, so the building application has not yet been reviewed in detail). Based on the Ministry’s recommendation, I am quite confident that the authority will agree with our expert.
Now to my question: who pays for the additional safety measure (assuming the building authority requires it)?
From a brief search, I found fairly good glass railings (since our bathroom window faces the street, we want the railing to be as discreet as possible, e.g., no bars or similar) for about 500 euros. Including installation, I expect the total cost would not exceed 1,000 euros.
In my view, it’s simple: I purchased a house that complies with legal requirements. If the GC’s planning does not meet these standards and requires rework, they should cover the cost. The GC (or our site manager), on the other hand, argues that if the building authority demands the railing, it was simply overlooked in the planning and therefore not included in the fixed price. If they had known the railing was needed, the price would have been higher, meaning we should bear the cost.
I consider that unreasonable; otherwise, fixed prices are pointless. As a layperson, I assume that the fixed price guarantees a house that meets legal standards. Otherwise, the GC could plan anything and later—if it turns out the structure is unsafe, violates the zoning plan, or is otherwise incorrect—increase the price by whatever amount is necessary to fix the planning mistake...
What’s your opinion?
we are building our house with a general contractor (GC) and have agreed on a fixed price.
In the bathroom, we have a window with a sill height of 1.12 m (3 ft 8 in) finished floor level (FFL), which is partially located above the bathtub and a small shelf (between the bathtub and the exterior wall), on the right side in the picture.
Both I and our expert noticed that according to the building regulations (Hessen), parapet or railing heights must be at least 80 cm (31.5 inches), measured either from finished floor level (which is complied with here) or from any steps, platforms, or similar climbing aids located in front of it (which is not the case here due to the bathtub and shelf). Although we have lockable handles on the upper floor window, our expert says an additional safety measure is required, for example, the installation of a (glass) railing similar to those used on French balconies.
This is also reflected in the recommendations for enforcement of the Hessian Building Code issued by the Ministry of Economic Affairs (marginal note 35.3.1):
“The height of the parapet is generally measured from the top edge of the finished floor to the top edge of the window sill or another fixed parapet-like element, excluding the window frame. If there are elements in front of the parapet, such as cable ducts or ventilation channels, which could be used to climb up, the measurement must be taken from the top edge of those elements.”
Since we have two small children who will eventually bring friends home to play, we strongly believe that some safety provision is necessary here. Our GC, however, sees no need for action because the window has a lockable handle. I have already informed the GC that we would report this issue to the responsible building authority if necessary, so they can verify whether this is compliant (we have built under an exemption procedure, so the building application has not yet been reviewed in detail). Based on the Ministry’s recommendation, I am quite confident that the authority will agree with our expert.
Now to my question: who pays for the additional safety measure (assuming the building authority requires it)?
From a brief search, I found fairly good glass railings (since our bathroom window faces the street, we want the railing to be as discreet as possible, e.g., no bars or similar) for about 500 euros. Including installation, I expect the total cost would not exceed 1,000 euros.
In my view, it’s simple: I purchased a house that complies with legal requirements. If the GC’s planning does not meet these standards and requires rework, they should cover the cost. The GC (or our site manager), on the other hand, argues that if the building authority demands the railing, it was simply overlooked in the planning and therefore not included in the fixed price. If they had known the railing was needed, the price would have been higher, meaning we should bear the cost.
I consider that unreasonable; otherwise, fixed prices are pointless. As a layperson, I assume that the fixed price guarantees a house that meets legal standards. Otherwise, the GC could plan anything and later—if it turns out the structure is unsafe, violates the zoning plan, or is otherwise incorrect—increase the price by whatever amount is necessary to fix the planning mistake...
What’s your opinion?
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BananaJoe21 Sep 2021 21:35Myrna_Loy schrieb:
As mentioned – if the window hinges open the other way, you can neither climb onto the tub nor fall out through the open window. As far as I understand, the question of whether the window sill height is too low according to building regulations in Hesse does not depend on which side the window hinges are on, but I am open to being corrected.
Aside from that: Would this solution really be more cost-effective (and therefore more acceptable for the general contractor) than installing a window guard? Simply unscrewing and reattaching on the other side probably won’t be enough, right? Or are the “mushroom cams” in the frame positioned independently of the hinge side, so they will still align correctly? Also, the holes from the left-hand hinge would still be visible in the frame—can these be seen when the window is closed?
Furthermore: Since the tub isn’t installed yet, I can’t judge precisely, but according to the plans, the open window sash would probably be over the middle of the bathtub, rather than right above its edge. So I don’t think this would really help.
Myrna_Loy schrieb:
How is your expert charging for this? I don’t quite understand the question. He spent about 15 minutes of work on this point, so he’s certainly not making much money from it...
BananaJoe schrieb:
As far as I understand, the question of whether the parapet is too low according to Hessian building regulations does not depend on which side the window rebate is on, but I’m open to being corrected. No, you’re probably right there... but if you’re going to make changes anyway, you should also consider the ergonomic aspects. I would have thought the window rebate was nonsensical from the start 😉
BananaJoe schrieb:
if the planning/execution does not comply with building regulations) and is moved to the "Sanitary" section, I don’t really understand, Maybe because they want to remind readers that bathrooms are planned, not just drawn in 😉
BananaJoe schrieb:
When I look at the letter from the Ministry of Economic Affairs BananaJoe schrieb:
too low according to Hessian building regulations You’re just focused on principle, right? You’re not interested in a solution! … Has the general contractor made so many mistakes that you want to challenge him?
If the window stop is changed, no one can fall or climb out of the window from the sill.
I understand the part of your issue regarding the house needing to comply with regulations (tilt windows). I don’t understand the part about the children.
The windows are lockable and are probably locked. If the key is stored safely out of the children’s reach, they cannot open the windows. You won’t be using the sauna shortly before children visit. You have ventilation. No unpleasant odors, no steam clouds.
I understand the part of your issue regarding the house needing to comply with regulations (tilt windows). I don’t understand the part about the children.
The windows are lockable and are probably locked. If the key is stored safely out of the children’s reach, they cannot open the windows. You won’t be using the sauna shortly before children visit. You have ventilation. No unpleasant odors, no steam clouds.
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Smialbuddler21 Sep 2021 22:57Ducts and cable conduits often run along exterior walls in older office buildings, for example. They are frequently used as steps in front of windows or balcony doors. This is the kind of "installation" where people might casually place something on it in everyday life—unintentionally creating a fall hazard.
But: which normal, sensible adult _climbs onto a bathtub_?!
As unrealistic as this may sometimes seem in Germany, the building regulations were not written by crazy people and are not just meant as a nuisance. I think you are worrying unnecessarily.
However, feel free to simply ask your local building authority! It’s free, and if your concern really involves a rule violation, the authority can tell you if everything is fine and you won’t have to deal with the general contractor.
But: which normal, sensible adult _climbs onto a bathtub_?!
As unrealistic as this may sometimes seem in Germany, the building regulations were not written by crazy people and are not just meant as a nuisance. I think you are worrying unnecessarily.
However, feel free to simply ask your local building authority! It’s free, and if your concern really involves a rule violation, the authority can tell you if everything is fine and you won’t have to deal with the general contractor.
Once all decisions have been made, I would simply switch the window to tilt-only mode.
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