Hello everyone,
the largest and presumably most expensive renovation will be our 11sqm (118sq ft) bathroom. The layout is planned to remain the same (so the length of the sink, bathtub, etc., will not change). Next week, the plumber will come for a cost estimate, and I want to be somewhat prepared.
A few questions to the group: Do the pipes need to be replaced? How can I tell as a layperson if they do?
How does this usually work—will all the pipes be replaced, including the drainage and those inside the walls?
What can such work typically cost or be allowed to cost?
For cost reasons, is it possible to simply tile over the existing tiles, or is it better to gut the entire bathroom?
Thanks to all!
the largest and presumably most expensive renovation will be our 11sqm (118sq ft) bathroom. The layout is planned to remain the same (so the length of the sink, bathtub, etc., will not change). Next week, the plumber will come for a cost estimate, and I want to be somewhat prepared.
A few questions to the group: Do the pipes need to be replaced? How can I tell as a layperson if they do?
How does this usually work—will all the pipes be replaced, including the drainage and those inside the walls?
What can such work typically cost or be allowed to cost?
For cost reasons, is it possible to simply tile over the existing tiles, or is it better to gut the entire bathroom?
Thanks to all!
Yes, everything included, even new screed with underfloor heating. A walk-in shower wasn’t possible, but there is a shower plus a bathtub. Ceiling spotlights were also installed.
I don’t know exactly which fittings we have, but in the end, it doesn’t matter much. Overall, it was about 200 hours of work, which accounts for roughly 50 percent of the costs.
If the items in the bathroom showroom are too expensive for you, you’ll need to simplify a bit. A surface-mounted faucet can also be installed by yourself, just like a washbasin or a mirrored cabinet. It will cost your time instead of the tradesperson’s. Whether it’s worth it is something only you can decide.
I don’t know exactly which fittings we have, but in the end, it doesn’t matter much. Overall, it was about 200 hours of work, which accounts for roughly 50 percent of the costs.
If the items in the bathroom showroom are too expensive for you, you’ll need to simplify a bit. A surface-mounted faucet can also be installed by yourself, just like a washbasin or a mirrored cabinet. It will cost your time instead of the tradesperson’s. Whether it’s worth it is something only you can decide.
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Alibert8714 Feb 2023 16:09FloHB123 schrieb:
Yes, everything included, also new screed with underfloor heating. A walk-in shower wasn’t possible, but both a shower and bathtub were installed. Ceiling spotlights were added as well.
I’m not exactly sure which faucets we have, but in the end, that doesn’t make much difference. Overall, it took about 200 working hours, which accounts for roughly 50 percent of the costs.
If the items at the bathroom showroom are too expensive for you, you’ll just have to cut back a bit. A surface-mounted faucet can also be installed by yourself, just like the washbasin or mirror cabinet. It will cost your own time rather than the plumber’s. Whether it’s worth it, you have to decide for yourself. Sure, we could probably do a lot ourselves and handle installations, but we want at least a warranty on the sanitary parts and piping.
Are those brand-name products like Villeroy & Boch, Grohe, etc., or more house-brand items?
In my opinion, the branded products are the main price drivers in the showrooms.
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Schorsch_baut14 Feb 2023 16:45chand1986 schrieb:
We knew the prices from friends who are currently renovating.
We are doing the demolition ourselves completely.
I have the quote here, just some examples:
- Tiling work 100€/sqm (10.4 USD/sq ft), includes surcharge for 120cm x 60cm (47in x 24in) tiles
- 84 labor hours, half at 60€/h (about 65 USD/h), the other half as assistant labor hours at 40€/h (about 43 USD/h)
- Heated towel rail 1,000€ (about 1,090 USD) (!)
- Washbasin + console shelf + faucet 1,900€ (about 2,070 USD) (!!)
- Tall cabinet + base cabinet for washbasin 1,500€ (about 1,630 USD) (!!!)
- Tile purchase 1,100€ (about 1,200 USD) (chosen by ourselves, our own fault ;-) )
Just a snippet of how it adds up. The prices, if you source the fittings through a professional company, are just as ridiculous as for kitchen appliances through kitchen studios. It’s not like washbasins can’t be found for much less. Ours is from Ikea. Installed ourselves for under 500 euros (about 545 USD).
Behind the house brands, there are often well-known manufacturers. Yes, all the brands we chose are familiar names.
It is well known that bathroom showrooms usually do not provide prices upfront. However, you can of course mention that you want to first look at the more affordable options. We also asked several times about cheaper alternatives. Additionally, we checked online to see if we could find another option that we also liked.
As a layperson, it is easy to make mistakes when buying online. For example, our washbasin faucet comes in 3 or 4 different sizes. When we sent our desired model to the contractor, we immediately received the response that the chosen size was not suitable for the washbasin. We probably would have only noticed this during installation.
We also misjudged the size of the washbasin. The previous one was 120cm (47 inches), but we were advised to choose 100cm (39 inches) instead. Instinctively, we would have chosen 120cm again to have more drawer space. However, 100cm was clearly the better choice, as it doesn’t look cramped.
It is well known that bathroom showrooms usually do not provide prices upfront. However, you can of course mention that you want to first look at the more affordable options. We also asked several times about cheaper alternatives. Additionally, we checked online to see if we could find another option that we also liked.
As a layperson, it is easy to make mistakes when buying online. For example, our washbasin faucet comes in 3 or 4 different sizes. When we sent our desired model to the contractor, we immediately received the response that the chosen size was not suitable for the washbasin. We probably would have only noticed this during installation.
We also misjudged the size of the washbasin. The previous one was 120cm (47 inches), but we were advised to choose 100cm (39 inches) instead. Instinctively, we would have chosen 120cm again to have more drawer space. However, 100cm was clearly the better choice, as it doesn’t look cramped.
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chand198614 Feb 2023 16:57Schorsch_baut schrieb:
It’s not like there aren’t washbasins available for much less. Ours is from IKEA. Installed ourselves for under 500 euros. However, we looked for a long time and wanted THIS specific washbasin. Buying it online and installing it ourselves would easily save around 30%, so the difference is not really about the “exclusive” material, but whether we do it ourselves or have it done by professionals.
If I were you, I would look for an alternative for the washbasin and tall cabinet. Unfortunately, my wife didn’t like Ikea. We also visited a furniture store, but didn’t find anything suitable there either. So, we decided to go with the washbasin from the bathroom showroom, which we have been very happy with so far.
If you haven’t bought them already, the tiles don’t necessarily have to be 120cm x 60cm (47 inches x 24 inches)...
If you haven’t bought them already, the tiles don’t necessarily have to be 120cm x 60cm (47 inches x 24 inches)...
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