ᐅ Attic space with a height of 2 meters – conversion/finishing options?

Created on: 25 Nov 2016 17:33
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nacaschi
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nacaschi
25 Nov 2016 17:33
Hello,
we live in a terraced house in the western part of Cologne with a pitched roof. The attic is accessible via a pull-down ladder that can be extended from the hallway on the first floor (1st floor), which is quite centrally located. My plan is to create an opening in the ceiling of one of the smaller rooms and then install a spiral staircase to reach the attic. I would replace the existing opening of the now "old" pull-down ladder with a laminated safety glass panel. After consulting with an architect, I was informed that I cannot make such an opening because the attic has a height of 2 meters (6.6 feet) but must be at least 2.30 meters (7.5 feet) high. Additionally, the attic is not allowed to be converted into a living space.

My question is: Am I allowed to create this ceiling opening to install a spiral staircase to access the attic while still using the attic solely for storage? We are getting older and will likely find it difficult to continue using the pull-down ladder in the future.

I have deliberately not scheduled an appointment with the building authority (building permit / planning permission office) yet, so as not to "wake sleeping dogs." I would be very grateful for any friendly and knowledgeable advice...
wpic25 Nov 2016 18:56
The architect’s information is correct. Converting an attic into living space generally requires a building permit / planning permission and the new living area must meet minimum legal building standards: usually a clear ceiling height of 2.40 m (7 ft 10 in), in exceptional cases sometimes 2.20 m / 2.30 m (7 ft 3 in / 7 ft 7 in), adequate natural lighting and access (staircase width at least 80 cm (31 inches)), fire protection including a second escape route, etc. A clear rough ceiling height of only 2.00 m (6 ft 7 in) in a pitched roof therefore makes an attic conversion impractical and would not be approved.

Installing a staircase in a different location affects the structural integrity of the floor above the upper floor and possibly the roof structure as well. Simply cutting an opening into the ceiling risks uncontrolled deformation or overloading of structural components. In addition, a spiral staircase introduces a point load onto the floor above the ground floor, which must also be structurally verified and, if necessary, reinforced.

This is a structurally significant intervention and therefore requires a building application. I strongly advise against carrying out such work independently without being able to assess the structural consequences. In my opinion, the entire planned effort is not worthwhile, especially since bulky items are very difficult to transport to the attic via a spiral staircase. More precise information can only be given after an on-site survey and with knowledge of the existing building structure.
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Bauexperte
25 Nov 2016 20:11
nacaschi schrieb:

May I make an opening in the ceiling to then reach the attic via the spiral staircase, so we can continue to use the loft as storage? We are getting older, and in the future, it will certainly be difficult for us to keep using the pull-down ladder...

Who are you trying to fool with this question?

Will has given the only correct answer!

Regards, Bauexperte
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nacaschi
25 Nov 2016 20:22
Sorry, construction expert, I don’t understand your comment about me trying to deceive anyone??? Even if you are an administrator and have posted 8,352 comments, please consider that there are people like me who ask questions that may seem simple to you but are complicated, difficult, and apparently unsolvable for others like me. That’s why I asked for friendly and knowledgeable comments... Thank you very much.
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ypg
25 Nov 2016 22:02
nacaschi schrieb:
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we are already a bit older and in the future we will certainly have difficulty continuing to use the pull-out ladder.
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That is contradictory.
If you sacrifice a room to create a stairwell to the attic, you would have a fixed staircase, but you lose a proper living space, namely that exact room. It would be an exchange of fully functional living space for attic space.
Additionally, to reach storage space, you would have to use an extra staircase. This room can already be used as storage without a staircase.

Older people usually avoid additional floors.
But all of this is moot anyway, as you can read the arguments in #2.

Regards
sirhc25 Nov 2016 22:07
That would have to be a very large spiral staircase and a very small room.