ᐅ House and Parking Layout – Small Plot – House with Granny Flat

Created on: 7 Jan 2024 01:37
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FXB2812
Hello everyone,

first of all, thanks to the forum, it’s fun to follow along!

Here is the preliminary information about my project, where available:

Development Plan / Restrictions

Plot size – 342 sqm (3680 sq ft)
Slope – no
Site coverage ratio – 0.4
Floor area ratio – 0.6
Building envelope, building line, and boundary – see image
Edge setbacks – 3 m (10 ft) distance from the street
Number of parking spaces – 3 (due to basement apartment; regulations of § 19 paragraph 4 of the land use ordinance will apply)
Number of floors – 2
Roof stylefree choice
Architectural style – to be determined
Orientation – see image
Maximum heights / limits – to be determined
Other requirements – keep driveway to garage free for 5.5 m (18 ft) from the property line

Requirements from the Clients

Architectural style, roof type, building type – flat roof and loggia currently of interest. Solid construction
Basement, floors – basement, ground floor, upper floor
Number of occupants, ages – 2 adults in their 30s, 2 small children, plus parents-in-law in the basement unit, both around 60 years old
Space needs on ground and upper floors – currently considering bedrooms on the ground floor and living/dining areas on the upper floor
Office: family use or home office? – optional separate home office room
Overnight guests per year – should be possible, solutions will be found
Open or closed architecture – to be determined
Traditional or modern construction – to be determined
Open kitchen, kitchen island – open kitchen; kitchen island not necessary
Number of dining seats – 6 regularly, 10-12 when guests, also with improvised seating
Fireplace – no
Music/sound wall – not a priority
Balcony, roof terrace – loggia interesting but not essential
Garage, carport – 1 garage, 2 carports/parking spaces
Utility garden, greenhouse – no

Other wishes / special features / daily routine, also reasons why certain things should or shouldn’t be – We were inspired by the Artis 301 model from Fingerhaus for the loggia and the idea of placing living and dining space on the upper floor.

The house planning will start in the next days and weeks. Since no rooms are planned yet, I would first like to focus on the surroundings, especially the integration of the garage and parking spaces.

As a basis for discussion, you will find some initial options illustrated here. The house dimensions are still flexible at this stage. One idea is to combine a carport with the covered entrance area, positioning it directly in front of the garage. This carport, however, would not count as an official parking space, so the other two (if approved by the municipality) could also be used for turning on the property.

How would you arrange and design the parking spaces and house layout in a practical way?

Thanks in advance for your feedback. If anything is unclear, please just let me know!

Good luck



Site plan with blue pin at the corner of the plot, marked dimensions 20 m and 19 m, north arrow.




Floor plan of a house with carport, garage, driveway and parking spaces on the left.



Floor plan of a house with carport, garage, driveway and parking spaces (option 2).
11ant7 Jan 2024 17:44
11ant schrieb:

I see several contradictions: no slope, but the living floor is on top; "solid construction" but the inspiration design (without the desired granny flat) is from the timber frame panel builder.
Upside down without having a panoramic view and a mountainside entrance at the top is not just a non-starter from a lack of imagination by traditionalists. My surprise about the "transgenic" inspiration design remains unanswered.
FXB2812 schrieb:

The house floor plan will be discussed and developed with the building company starting next week.
Please, anything but that. Too early, too wrong. See "A house building roadmap, also for you: the HOAI phase model!" as well as "dough resting" and "setting the course."
FXB2812 schrieb:

The thread was deliberately started with the arrangement of parking spaces first. Details on the floor plan/layout will follow as soon as the first drafts are available.
Once again: putting the cart before the horse. And the tail wags the dog when the cars get their best spots first, and the family has to make do with what’s left.
FXB2812 schrieb:

We are here in the commuter belt of a car city, land prices on the open market around 800€/m² (74$/ft²), here in the local resident model just over 450€/m² (42$/ft²), so attractive. Plots on the "open" market are rather in the range of 450-500 m² (4,800-5,400 sq ft).
Oh yes, there was something about that: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bauen-in-bayern-fuer-500k-noch-moeglich.42872/page-11#post-563239 and https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/bewertung-bauvorhaben-und-baukostenschaetzung-einfamilienhaus.45362/
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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ypg
7 Jan 2024 17:55
Is there a building window? I would be interested in the original text of the zoning plan.
Would you be willing to share it (without providing a link, but with the location name)?
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hanghaus2023
7 Jan 2024 18:09
The 301 doesn’t have a granny flat/apartment. Even the best redesign won’t fix that.
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kbt09
7 Jan 2024 21:07
hanghaus2023 schrieb:

The 301 doesn’t have a secondary apartment at all. Not even the best redesign can fix that.
That’s exactly why I referred to
kbt09 schrieb:

To get a sense of the areas, just google Ytong MGH 232
And even then, the secondary apartment is still smaller than the space Yvonne mentioned in one of the posts here as realistic for a secondary apartment meant for a 60-year-old couple.
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hanghaus2023
8 Jan 2024 12:20
kbt09 schrieb:

That is exactly why I pointed out Ytong MGH 232.

That will never fit on the plot.
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ypg
8 Jan 2024 14:06
FXB2812 schrieb:

The Artis 301 from Fingerhaus served as inspiration for us regarding the loggia and the idea of having the living and dining area on the upper floor.
Now I also understand the phrase: sleeping downstairs, living upstairs.
And where are the parents or the granny flat supposed to go?

I guess you simply fell in love with this roof terrace. A bit of daydreaming and infatuation is part of life, but you shouldn’t ignore the facts about what is feasible and what isn’t. Basic common sense combined with some elementary school math shows that it won’t work with these dimensions, unless you want to squeeze the parents (in-laws) into tight 30-square-meter (320-square-feet) rooms.
kbt09 schrieb:

And even then, the granny flat is still limited by the available space...
The 232-square-meter (2,500-square-feet) option you mentioned is indeed a great proposal. Yes, it needs to be compressed on both sides. Personally, I like this design, but I wouldn’t want my garden right next to such a tall two-story wall. I had that experience with our row house. Too close and too high.

I find the granny flat belonging to the 232 design too small for people in their 60s (our open-plan room is about the size of that entire apartment).
But: the design has potential for modification and the courtyard offers space for parking.