ᐅ Is it possible to install recessed lights with HaloX housings?
Created on: 16 Apr 2020 16:27
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annab377
Hello everyone,
I plan to use the LED Nova IP65 recessed light round max. 35W white/chrome 1-piece set pivotable (item no.: 936.63) from Paulmann in the panel ceiling of my bathroom. Now I am wondering how this works with the HaloX boxes.
Looking at the pictures on the Paulmann website, it seems these recessed lights are designed more for suspended ceilings because of the two small side legs that, with the springs, are pressed against the suspended ceiling.
How is it possible to install these spotlights with HaloX boxes? Using a 100mm (4 inches) box probably won’t work, as the side legs would likely hit the box walls. So, you would need to use a (significantly?) more expensive 180mm (7 inches) box so that it resembles a "suspended" ceiling and the legs rest on the front edge of the box. Or am I misunderstanding this?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
Are there actually other box suppliers besides HaloX from Kaiser-Elektro? Or does almost every ceiling manufacturer use HaloX?
I already asked Paulmann, but they have no experience with the HaloX boxes...
Best regards
annab377
I plan to use the LED Nova IP65 recessed light round max. 35W white/chrome 1-piece set pivotable (item no.: 936.63) from Paulmann in the panel ceiling of my bathroom. Now I am wondering how this works with the HaloX boxes.
Looking at the pictures on the Paulmann website, it seems these recessed lights are designed more for suspended ceilings because of the two small side legs that, with the springs, are pressed against the suspended ceiling.
How is it possible to install these spotlights with HaloX boxes? Using a 100mm (4 inches) box probably won’t work, as the side legs would likely hit the box walls. So, you would need to use a (significantly?) more expensive 180mm (7 inches) box so that it resembles a "suspended" ceiling and the legs rest on the front edge of the box. Or am I misunderstanding this?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
Are there actually other box suppliers besides HaloX from Kaiser-Elektro? Or does almost every ceiling manufacturer use HaloX?
I already asked Paulmann, but they have no experience with the HaloX boxes...
Best regards
annab377
Alessandro schrieb:
The spring tension on your Paulmann lights leaves a lot to be desired. Especially when these units have a sealing ring and the springs don’t pull properly, it can be frustrating. There are better manufacturers out there.I can only speak about the Basic 5-watt dimmable lamps. The springs grip a drywall panel like there’s no tomorrow! I’m already dreading having to remove them again...
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Alessandro17 Apr 2020 09:00That’s exactly what I mean. In the Halox box, you still have the cable for connection and a terminal box. All of this needs to be stored inside the Halox box, which then presses against the fixture from above or the side. If the spring is not strong enough, you need a lot of patience to arrange everything so that it somehow works. It cost me a lot of nerves.
Make sure that the opening of the box is cut out to a maximum of 7cm (3 inches). Then you have all options available.
Make sure that the opening of the box is cut out to a maximum of 7cm (3 inches). Then you have all options available.
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Alessandro17 Apr 2020 09:07Recommending a manufacturer is difficult because recessed lights also depend on personal taste. Additionally, not all fixtures are available in every color option.
In the end, I had to go with Paulmann lights because my electrician cut some of the sockets to 9cm (3.5 inches), and Paulmann was the only manufacturer I found that fits 9cm (3.5 inches) and was available in the desired color and specifications.
I still regret it today, as they really look cheap.
In the end, I had to go with Paulmann lights because my electrician cut some of the sockets to 9cm (3.5 inches), and Paulmann was the only manufacturer I found that fits 9cm (3.5 inches) and was available in the desired color and specifications.
I still regret it today, as they really look cheap.
Honestly, they don’t look high-quality but rather cheap. I wanted to order a few anyway to really evaluate the appearance and quality (thanks to the EU return policy for online purchases).
But your issue with not enough space inside the junction box would probably be completely solved if you use the 180 mm (7 inch) box. There should really be enough room for the cables and connector box there, right?
And @Golfi90 even said that the springs are supposed to be extremely strong? I’ll order a few Paulmann recessed spotlights to check them out.
That will probably depend on the recessed spotlight. For the one I mentioned in post #1 (Nova version), you will likely need to cut an 83 mm (3.3 inch) hole for the box (see attachments). The 70 mm (2.8 inch) opening you suggested won’t be nearly enough. Maybe you are referring to a different model? Which one do you have exactly? Perhaps just the base version, which might be why yours look cheaper?
But your issue with not enough space inside the junction box would probably be completely solved if you use the 180 mm (7 inch) box. There should really be enough room for the cables and connector box there, right?
And @Golfi90 even said that the springs are supposed to be extremely strong? I’ll order a few Paulmann recessed spotlights to check them out.
Alessandro schrieb:
Make sure the hole for the box is cut to a maximum of 7 cm (3 inches). Then you have all options available.
That will probably depend on the recessed spotlight. For the one I mentioned in post #1 (Nova version), you will likely need to cut an 83 mm (3.3 inch) hole for the box (see attachments). The 70 mm (2.8 inch) opening you suggested won’t be nearly enough. Maybe you are referring to a different model? Which one do you have exactly? Perhaps just the base version, which might be why yours look cheaper?
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Alessandro17 Apr 2020 09:46I really like the one you showed! As I mentioned, I had to find one that covers 9cm (3.5 inches). The options are limited, and I had to choose a Paulmann spot that looked a bit cheap.
In my opinion, nobody needs 180mm (7 inches) deep junction boxes. In my kitchen, I have spots with a very secure grip, so you don’t have to fiddle inside the box with cables and connectors. They just snap into place.
You can always cut more once you’re sure which spot you want to use. Just order a few samples to see, including different color temperatures. I found the 2700K very yellow, so I switched to 4000K in the hallway.
In my opinion, nobody needs 180mm (7 inches) deep junction boxes. In my kitchen, I have spots with a very secure grip, so you don’t have to fiddle inside the box with cables and connectors. They just snap into place.
You can always cut more once you’re sure which spot you want to use. Just order a few samples to see, including different color temperatures. I found the 2700K very yellow, so I switched to 4000K in the hallway.
Alessandro schrieb:
In my opinion, nobody needs 180 mm (7 inches) electrical boxes.However, a 100 mm (4 inches) box will likely cause problems because the side spring clips press against the box wall and do not reach the cover or ceiling. See the discussed issue on page 1.
I will order all the recessed downlights without bulbs so that I can decide in the live situation at the house whether to order 4000 Kelvin or 2800 Kelvin bulbs for all the spots in room X, as well as intensity (lumens), etc.
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