ᐅ Are Ethernet ports still relevant today? Wi-Fi and wireless connections are the future!
Created on: 29 Jan 2020 21:06
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Hello fellow cable enthusiasts and Wi-Fi addicts,
I already confessed in the SAT discussion that I consider coax outlets and satellite dishes completely outdated since entertainment is streamed nowadays, and I’m not planning to include them in our new build (more on that in the SAT discussion). But that’s not what this is about.
Right now, I’m trying to smartly distribute LAN duplex Cat 6a and Cat7 cable outlets throughout the rooms (1st floor: 2 kids’ rooms, kids’ bathroom, master bedroom, dressing room, master bathroom, hallway; 2nd floor: open living/dining/kitchen area, hallway, entrance area, guest restroom).
On one hand, I feel like none of the rooms really fit the outlets perfectly, like: “the desk could go here…” But what if the TV ends up in that corner instead?
On the other hand, I’m looking at our current devices and very few still have LAN ports: MacBooks, iPhones, tablets, or devices that have LAN options but mostly connect via Wi-Fi anyway, like Sonos, printers, TVs.
So the question arises whether LAN ports in rooms are still that important today. I’m not talking about the Wi-Fi access points, which of course should be connected via LAN in a convenient location, or special cases like PoE cameras and door intercoms. I’m mainly referring to the LAN outlets in individual rooms. Most end devices are mobile anyway, and the outlets will be in the wrong place 99% of the time.
I read (yes, I spent some time researching this) that the cost of LAN outlets is negligible. Well, if I install duplex outlets in all those questionable locations, the cost for switches and everything else adds up to a nice chunk.
I would be interested in your opinion on this. Since I am straightforwardly skipping any traditional TV (in our case only satellite would be possible) and the corresponding connections, wouldn’t it be consistent to also counteract the outlet overload regarding LAN?
Looking forward to your comments, thanks!
I already confessed in the SAT discussion that I consider coax outlets and satellite dishes completely outdated since entertainment is streamed nowadays, and I’m not planning to include them in our new build (more on that in the SAT discussion). But that’s not what this is about.
Right now, I’m trying to smartly distribute LAN duplex Cat 6a and Cat7 cable outlets throughout the rooms (1st floor: 2 kids’ rooms, kids’ bathroom, master bedroom, dressing room, master bathroom, hallway; 2nd floor: open living/dining/kitchen area, hallway, entrance area, guest restroom).
On one hand, I feel like none of the rooms really fit the outlets perfectly, like: “the desk could go here…” But what if the TV ends up in that corner instead?
On the other hand, I’m looking at our current devices and very few still have LAN ports: MacBooks, iPhones, tablets, or devices that have LAN options but mostly connect via Wi-Fi anyway, like Sonos, printers, TVs.
So the question arises whether LAN ports in rooms are still that important today. I’m not talking about the Wi-Fi access points, which of course should be connected via LAN in a convenient location, or special cases like PoE cameras and door intercoms. I’m mainly referring to the LAN outlets in individual rooms. Most end devices are mobile anyway, and the outlets will be in the wrong place 99% of the time.
I read (yes, I spent some time researching this) that the cost of LAN outlets is negligible. Well, if I install duplex outlets in all those questionable locations, the cost for switches and everything else adds up to a nice chunk.
I would be interested in your opinion on this. Since I am straightforwardly skipping any traditional TV (in our case only satellite would be possible) and the corresponding connections, wouldn’t it be consistent to also counteract the outlet overload regarding LAN?
Looking forward to your comments, thanks!
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Stefan2.8427 Feb 2020 08:38Golfi90 schrieb:
In the end, you should even get money back, since cables, outlets, and installation are no longer needed...That now depends on the additional cost for the other cable. I will probably have the electrician do all the work anyway. But of course, if I were to buy and install the cables myself, I should get money back.
untergasse4327 Feb 2020 10:39Golfi90 schrieb:
In the end, you should even get some money back since cables, sockets, and installation are no longer needed...Funny enough, this reminds me of an experience with a major German home builder... They removed the shower in the guest bathroom, giving us a credit of almost €600. Then we decided to keep the shower after all, which added €2,500 in extra costs. In the end, it still came down to the original €600, but it unintentionally demonstrated their pricing structure to us.
Stefan2.84 schrieb:
I misunderstood it on my first attempt. Then please share your misunderstanding with us. You are certainly not the only beginner here and could explain to the other beginners, in simple terms, what was misunderstood initially.
Stefan2.84 schrieb:
Depending on what the electrician understands by the telephone connection mentioned in the building specification, this might be omitted. Let him do what he normally does, but with three minor differences: 0. in the connection room, he leaves the cables free, instead of terminating them on a patch panel # 1. he installs different cables, otherwise in the same way (for double outlets, that means two cables) # 2. he can omit the internal outlet modules.
To give you an idea of how minor the change is: a 25m (82 feet) roll of "telephone cable" costs 8.60 EUR, while the same length of "network cable" costs 10.50 EUR. An unshielded "ISDN" Western connector costs about the same as the TAE NFN socket, but you use shielded network outlets "RJ45" 8P8C. The electrician only needs to install the cables, first in a star topology (i.e., each outlet connected individually from the connection room, not wired as a bus), and second, continuously (not patched or spliced anywhere). Whether the cable is called "Category 7", "6", or even "5" is secondary.
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Stefan2.8427 Feb 2020 15:1011ant schrieb:
Then please share your misunderstanding with us. You are definitely not the only beginner here, and you could explain to the other beginners in simple terms what was initially misunderstood. In terms of effort, I would say except for the network outlets for the access points...
In this sentence, I understood in a very basic way that it referred to a surface-mounted network outlet and therefore could not figure out where the access point would be installed...
11ant schrieb:
Let him do what he always does, just with three minor differences: 0. in the connection room he leaves the cables free at the start, instead of mounting them on a flush-mounted box # 1. he routes different cables in basically the same way (for double outlets, just two) # 2. he can omit the outlet inserts. Understood. The cable itself isn’t significantly more expensive anyway. I’ll wait for the appointment. With the knowledge I have now, I’m not completely at his mercy anymore.
Stefan2.84 schrieb:
With the knowledge I have now gained, I am no longer completely at his mercy.Electricians are not malicious, but unfortunately often just straightforward cable installers who don’t really understand that gigabit Ethernet is not compatible with terminal blocks. When they see "Category 7" at the wholesaler, they think it’s the latest trend from Paris and that guarantees future-proofing—nothing more is needed.https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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Stefan2.8427 Feb 2020 15:39My main concern now is to avoid being charged excessive additional costs. When the other party clearly has no idea, it is probably easy for them to demand high extra fees. Although it might be unfair to assume that someone wants to take advantage of me, better safe than sorry.....
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