ᐅ Are architect and construction supervision costs really that high?
Created on: 22 Jan 2014 09:18
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Koempy
My girlfriend and I want to buy a house in the eastern part of Lower Saxony. The house itself is estimated to cost about 57,000 euros. It is a house built in 1962 with an extension from 1985.
We plan to carry out a complete renovation and basically renew everything that is necessary. This means a new heating system, windows, and a few other things.
Our maximum budget for this is 115,000 euros. Yesterday, we received the first cost estimate from our construction supervisor. Some of the work will be done as self-performed labor.
I will get details and the exact plan only today. But what makes me hesitant is that the construction supervision fees as well as the costs for the architect and the structural engineer amount to over 28,000 euros. That is more than 20 percent of the total sum.
At first glance, this seems very high. Or is that an appropriate amount for a renovation? We definitely want to get another quote from a different architect.
Finishing trades
Heating 10,500.00 euros
Sanitary installation 8,500.00 euros
Electrical installation 6,000.00 euros
Windows and patio doors 9,800.00 euros
Masonry work 15,360.00 euros
Screed 5,000 euros
Tiling including floor tiles 35 euros/m² (5 USD/sq ft) 9,200 euros
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Total finishing costs I 64,300.5 euros
Extension parts
Painting work 9,800 euros
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Total extension costs II 9,800 euros
Total planned construction costs from I to II 74,200 euros
III. General costs:
Demolition and earthworks. Excavator hours 7,600.00 euros
Disposal of construction debris 1,500.00 euros
Disposal of green waste and soil 750.00 euros
Inspection and renewal of sewer connections 1,800.00 euros
Renewal of control shafts 3,200.00 euros
IV. Incidental construction costs:
Construction supervision 16,400 euros
Architect 7,700 euros
Structural engineer 3,800.00 euros
Authorities (permits/fees) 1,200.00 euros
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Total costs III and IV 44,000 euros
Planned construction costs from I to IV 118,000 euros
Market/local adjustment of construction costs
Lower Saxony factor 1.000
Location correction factor XXXXXX 1.000
Private project factor 1.150
Correction factor total 1.150
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Adjusted construction cost value 130,000.00 euros
We plan to carry out a complete renovation and basically renew everything that is necessary. This means a new heating system, windows, and a few other things.
Our maximum budget for this is 115,000 euros. Yesterday, we received the first cost estimate from our construction supervisor. Some of the work will be done as self-performed labor.
I will get details and the exact plan only today. But what makes me hesitant is that the construction supervision fees as well as the costs for the architect and the structural engineer amount to over 28,000 euros. That is more than 20 percent of the total sum.
At first glance, this seems very high. Or is that an appropriate amount for a renovation? We definitely want to get another quote from a different architect.
Finishing trades
Heating 10,500.00 euros
Sanitary installation 8,500.00 euros
Electrical installation 6,000.00 euros
Windows and patio doors 9,800.00 euros
Masonry work 15,360.00 euros
Screed 5,000 euros
Tiling including floor tiles 35 euros/m² (5 USD/sq ft) 9,200 euros
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Total finishing costs I 64,300.5 euros
Extension parts
Painting work 9,800 euros
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Total extension costs II 9,800 euros
Total planned construction costs from I to II 74,200 euros
III. General costs:
Demolition and earthworks. Excavator hours 7,600.00 euros
Disposal of construction debris 1,500.00 euros
Disposal of green waste and soil 750.00 euros
Inspection and renewal of sewer connections 1,800.00 euros
Renewal of control shafts 3,200.00 euros
IV. Incidental construction costs:
Construction supervision 16,400 euros
Architect 7,700 euros
Structural engineer 3,800.00 euros
Authorities (permits/fees) 1,200.00 euros
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Total costs III and IV 44,000 euros
Planned construction costs from I to IV 118,000 euros
Market/local adjustment of construction costs
Lower Saxony factor 1.000
Location correction factor XXXXXX 1.000
Private project factor 1.150
Correction factor total 1.150
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Adjusted construction cost value 130,000.00 euros
We have now spoken with two more architects, and their prices for all phases ranged between 12,000 and 16,000 euros. That sounds much more realistic and is an amount I’m willing to pay. However, the gut feeling and chemistry were not quite right yet. We have two more meetings scheduled for next week, after which we plan to make a decision.
We have withdrawn from the original architect/structural engineer due to distance and cost. He also couldn’t clearly explain how his fee was composed. The architect was supposed to only do the drawings, and the structural engineer only handle the calculations. He wanted to take care of the rest himself.
We have withdrawn from the original architect/structural engineer due to distance and cost. He also couldn’t clearly explain how his fee was composed. The architect was supposed to only do the drawings, and the structural engineer only handle the calculations. He wanted to take care of the rest himself.
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derstefanm2 Mar 2015 19:40We are paying 4500€ for service phases 1-4. 15,000€ would definitely be too much for me.
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franzi6552 Mar 2015 19:54We paid a total of 2000€ – which was acceptable. In our case, billing was done hourly, not at a fixed rate.
The problem with fixed-rate billing is that once a certain amount of work is reached, the quality may suffer because the supervisor has to work “for free.”
The problem with fixed-rate billing is that once a certain amount of work is reached, the quality may suffer because the supervisor has to work “for free.”
According to HOAI, for a single-family house costing 450,000€ (zone III, middle rate), 20,000€ is allocated for service phase 7.
Architects report that 100 on-site appointments for a single-family house are not unusual.
Per appointment, the costs are still quite moderate.
Architects report that 100 on-site appointments for a single-family house are not unusual.
Per appointment, the costs are still quite moderate.
Stefan Ruhnau20 Mar 2015 12:52Hello, if it is an independent expert / construction supervisor, a percentage of 4-8% of the renovation cost is generally applied, at least in the Lower Rhine region. If the construction supervisor also handles the tendering and contract awarding, there is usually an additional fee of around 2%. It depends on the scope of the assignment.
Best regards
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