Hello,
I have a question. They forgot to install a satellite antenna outlet in one of the rooms. Unfortunately, everything has already been plastered and painted, so it’s a bit late now.
The electrician is offering me a receiver as "compensation," which would allow me to connect to the satellite dish via the electrical wiring. I’m not entirely comfortable with this solution.
Such a receiver can break down (usually just after the warranty expires), and then I would have to buy a new one. Is it very complicated to install a proper outlet afterwards? There is a satellite antenna outlet on the opposite wall in the living room.
Thank you very much for your help.
Best regards,
Doris
I have a question. They forgot to install a satellite antenna outlet in one of the rooms. Unfortunately, everything has already been plastered and painted, so it’s a bit late now.
The electrician is offering me a receiver as "compensation," which would allow me to connect to the satellite dish via the electrical wiring. I’m not entirely comfortable with this solution.
Such a receiver can break down (usually just after the warranty expires), and then I would have to buy a new one. Is it very complicated to install a proper outlet afterwards? There is a satellite antenna outlet on the opposite wall in the living room.
Thank you very much for your help.
Best regards,
Doris
Mycraft schrieb:
Options? I suggested the single-cable system... it’s not perfect but better than the electrician’s solution... and there are other options as well...Please explain your reasoning! Unicable or JESS is superior to traditional multiswitch wiring in terms of convenience, flexibility, and cost (fewer cables needed!).
I wrote about a single-cable solution, not Unicable or JESS—that was introduced by tomtom79 and you... but anyway, they are quite similar.
Unfortunately, the advantages of single-cable systems are very limited: fewer cables and more participants.
However, the disadvantages are:
- More collisions because receivers can send commands simultaneously.
- Increased setup effort since each receiver requires a unique ID.
- In HD operation, occasional picture freezes can occur when another user switches channels.
- Improper handling can cause the entire system to go down simply by installing a new receiver.
This can be mitigated by installing special sockets, which, however, adds to the cost.
I’d rather take the simpler approach and have each socket in the single-family home wired individually... Coaxial cable really doesn’t cost much... and I won’t have any of the issues I mentioned above.
Unfortunately, the advantages of single-cable systems are very limited: fewer cables and more participants.
However, the disadvantages are:
- More collisions because receivers can send commands simultaneously.
- Increased setup effort since each receiver requires a unique ID.
- In HD operation, occasional picture freezes can occur when another user switches channels.
- Improper handling can cause the entire system to go down simply by installing a new receiver.
This can be mitigated by installing special sockets, which, however, adds to the cost.
I’d rather take the simpler approach and have each socket in the single-family home wired individually... Coaxial cable really doesn’t cost much... and I won’t have any of the issues I mentioned above.
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Bauexperte9 Dec 2015 11:39Hello,
sorry, I was just too exhausted last night to feel like typing 😉
I’ve had the chance to experience two of these formats up close, and since then I’m certain they are all fakes. The original idea was actually quite good; that’s actually why I accepted the invitation in the first place. Then sponsors, producers, and directors got involved, and the will to provide unbiased and factual information was lost. At least it had to be dramatic; for example, Allkauf® once had to rebuild their shell because the filming of the gable wall installation was done in calm weather.
On German construction sites, predominantly good to very good work is delivered; unfortunately, this doesn’t appear online. Even the negative reports—one is currently keeping me busy—need to be viewed with appropriate objectivity and distance. What you usually find are single-family homes sold at drastically low prices, with clever subcontracting or an unreasonably high amount of voluntary work (change orders). It’s obvious to any layperson that the quality of the trades suffers under such conditions... but no one wants to hear it; after all, the homebuyer is an enthusiastic internet novice. RTL® and others then exaggerate it for media appeal, and suddenly it’s the “poor” homebuilder who is in trouble through no fault of their own. Hardly anyone knows that the so-called experts involved are often contractually linked to a competitor of the featured provider; a bit of critical thinking would already help. It just sickens me how an entire industry is being publicly shamed.
Of course, there are also bad apples, but they are the minority and can only operate because there are homebuyers who insist on owning a single-family home at all costs... and naturally try to save on an expert. Everyone gets what they deserve 😉
The suggestions you made sound like a foreign language to me; so I don’t even try to embarrass myself. I simply wanted to point out that electricians are “only” human and they are allowed to make mistakes. In forums like this, there’s often the opinion that everyone can make mistakes—except craftsmen; they are expected to function like clockwork.
Apparently, the original poster and their electrician have found a solution; if both can live with it, then all is well 😉
Best regards, Bauexperte
sorry, I was just too exhausted last night to feel like typing 😉
Mycraft schrieb:Have you ever asked yourself why it’s always a certain type of person who is featured in these shows? And maybe also why homebuilders—despite better knowledge—still skip hiring an independent expert, considering it just a "nice to have"?
If that were the case, they wouldn’t constantly make shows about what went wrong here and there... and forums like this one would make less sense... many mistakes happen during the shell construction and much of it goes unnoticed until it’s too late...
I’ve had the chance to experience two of these formats up close, and since then I’m certain they are all fakes. The original idea was actually quite good; that’s actually why I accepted the invitation in the first place. Then sponsors, producers, and directors got involved, and the will to provide unbiased and factual information was lost. At least it had to be dramatic; for example, Allkauf® once had to rebuild their shell because the filming of the gable wall installation was done in calm weather.
Mycraft schrieb:Unfortunately, your posts often suggest otherwise.
I never claimed to work without mistakes...
On German construction sites, predominantly good to very good work is delivered; unfortunately, this doesn’t appear online. Even the negative reports—one is currently keeping me busy—need to be viewed with appropriate objectivity and distance. What you usually find are single-family homes sold at drastically low prices, with clever subcontracting or an unreasonably high amount of voluntary work (change orders). It’s obvious to any layperson that the quality of the trades suffers under such conditions... but no one wants to hear it; after all, the homebuyer is an enthusiastic internet novice. RTL® and others then exaggerate it for media appeal, and suddenly it’s the “poor” homebuilder who is in trouble through no fault of their own. Hardly anyone knows that the so-called experts involved are often contractually linked to a competitor of the featured provider; a bit of critical thinking would already help. It just sickens me how an entire industry is being publicly shamed.
Of course, there are also bad apples, but they are the minority and can only operate because there are homebuyers who insist on owning a single-family home at all costs... and naturally try to save on an expert. Everyone gets what they deserve 😉
Mycraft schrieb:That’s what I meant in an earlier post regarding effort versus result. €100.00 (about $110) in materials plus hourly labor costs have to be weighed against costs “x” for breaking open surfaces, plastering work, and wall coverings.
But an additional (forgotten!) satellite socket is a small matter... yes, it means sacrificing a workday and maybe around 100 euros in materials, but it’s doable and since the handover hasn’t taken place yet, all options are still open.
The suggestions you made sound like a foreign language to me; so I don’t even try to embarrass myself. I simply wanted to point out that electricians are “only” human and they are allowed to make mistakes. In forums like this, there’s often the opinion that everyone can make mistakes—except craftsmen; they are expected to function like clockwork.
Apparently, the original poster and their electrician have found a solution; if both can live with it, then all is well 😉
Best regards, Bauexperte
Hello everyone,
this is all very informative, even though I understand little. The electrician suggests a distribution box (basically tapping into another cable). I think this is the solution presented above by Mycraft with the single cable system? For that, he offers a 40-inch TV.
Alternatively, he can do the more complex solution if I want. I basically have to decide now.
By the way, I am also building with an expert, but unfortunately, he is not available today, and I think satellite technology is also very specialized.
this is all very informative, even though I understand little. The electrician suggests a distribution box (basically tapping into another cable). I think this is the solution presented above by Mycraft with the single cable system? For that, he offers a 40-inch TV.
Alternatively, he can do the more complex solution if I want. I basically have to decide now.
By the way, I am also building with an expert, but unfortunately, he is not available today, and I think satellite technology is also very specialized.
Let him clearly explain what he plans to install...
Afterwards, you should be able to watch different channels on both TVs at the same time without any additional receivers like Sat-to-IP or Sat-to-Powerline or anything else. You still need a "regular" satellite receiver or a TV with a triple tuner for each satellite connection, that should be clear.
I suspect he just wants the simplest solution using a DiSEqC switch, which would then be installed in the sub-distribution panel. By the way, this is also one of the more affordable and proven options...
@Bauexperte
I already suspected it was like chasing wild geese... and since I know there are solutions that cost very little, I wrote that one should not get involved in any haggling.
If you don’t like my posts, that’s fine... but I simply expect from everyone what I ordered/paid for and not something similar... after all, people expect the same from me...
Afterwards, you should be able to watch different channels on both TVs at the same time without any additional receivers like Sat-to-IP or Sat-to-Powerline or anything else. You still need a "regular" satellite receiver or a TV with a triple tuner for each satellite connection, that should be clear.
I suspect he just wants the simplest solution using a DiSEqC switch, which would then be installed in the sub-distribution panel. By the way, this is also one of the more affordable and proven options...
@Bauexperte
I already suspected it was like chasing wild geese... and since I know there are solutions that cost very little, I wrote that one should not get involved in any haggling.
If you don’t like my posts, that’s fine... but I simply expect from everyone what I ordered/paid for and not something similar... after all, people expect the same from me...
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Bieber08159 Dec 2015 20:18Dokru schrieb:
Alternatively, the more complex solution, which he will do if I want. You wanted the box, but he forgot it. Choose the solution you can live with for the next 20 years, even if it’s painful today (painful for the electrician). Next time, he will check his work before the painting.
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