Good morning,
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
Yvonne! Didn’t you pay attention again? I’ve already been scolded too:
The 17m x 9.50m (56ft x 31ft) roof will be insulated and fitted with flooring for under 20K. A waste of money, if you ask me, with a 30° roof pitch.
Nordlys schrieb:
kaho, don’t drive people crazy.
We already discussed this, I think. Insulate the cold roof. If there’s a staircase, then use tongue-and-groove boards and a studio truss roof. If there’s a staircase, you need to check the building permit/planning permission regarding roof pitch because of headroom. Additional cost will be under 20K.
The 17m x 9.50m (56ft x 31ft) roof will be insulated and fitted with flooring for under 20K. A waste of money, if you ask me, with a 30° roof pitch.
kaho674 schrieb:
Yvonne! You didn’t pay attention again! I’ve already been scolded too: I know, I’m very careless
but in my defense, I have to say that I no longer find it worthwhile to look back, since the OP has written so much in other threads. It’s all become so confusing—by the way, the plans too: you don’t even know which one is current anymore ... now it’s an open kitchen...
I feel the same. At first, it absolutely had to be a closed kitchen with a seating area as far as I know. Now it’s open with a counter and bar stools.
But here, that’s just an alternative to the original design...
I’m curious to see how this will develop. I’m betting on a simple gable roof with a ground floor and upper floor – mainly for cost reasons. Who disagrees?
But here, that’s just an alternative to the original design...
I’m curious to see how this will develop. I’m betting on a simple gable roof with a ground floor and upper floor – mainly for cost reasons. Who disagrees?
ypg schrieb:
Is the main contractor now planning a staircase into an unheated attic space?
With a cold roof, the floor is insulated, right? How is it supposed to be used as storage space then? See #21
As a note: a roof hatch and an uninsulated cold attic floor are planned, but instead of a standard pull-down stair, a space-saving staircase will be installed.
The price difference for going from a 24° flight to 30° has just been requested and is around 6000,-
micric3 schrieb:
See #21
As a note: there is an attic hatch and an uninsulated cold attic planned, but instead of a retractable attic ladder, a space-saving staircase will be installed.
Just requested an extra charge for changing the roof pitch from 24° to 30°, which comes to around 6000,-hmm…
I’ll just share my opinion (as always)
Nordlys house had exactly this concept: bungalow, but with a fixed staircase. The house was designed accordingly.
You’ve been working on a different concept for weeks and now you want to upgrade it. To be honest, I don’t know if you’re going in the wrong direction by modifying another house concept like this.
I’m not saying I’m right or you’re wrong or anything like that. I just want to give you some food for thought. It could be that you’re risking 10,000 € on @Nordlys’s concept here.
What do you want to store there anyway?
It’s “actually just” about the lack of storage space in the house (the thick winter coat, shoes, vinyl records, decorations [Christmas/Easter], canned goods, etc.). The idea of a space-saving staircase compared to an attic ladder seems logical to me, as does the construction of a dry attic truss (both for reasonable additional costs).
If the financial effort increases significantly, then we really need to reconsider whether it’s worth it or if, instead of the staircase, we should rather put large storage cabinets against the wall in the utility room.
If the financial effort increases significantly, then we really need to reconsider whether it’s worth it or if, instead of the staircase, we should rather put large storage cabinets against the wall in the utility room.
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