ᐅ Additional Costs for Residential Units

Tassimat schrieb:

The dormer will face the street, otherwise there’s no escape route. It’s quite simple.

Alright, that makes sense.
And yes. I honestly thought the fire department would come wherever needed to rescue someone from a window. I didn’t realize the escape route must face the street (although it’s not yet clear where the street will eventually be). Sure, very silly of me. How could I.

Tassimat schrieb:

This is going nowhere... just build a normal, somewhat larger townhouse. If the family is supposed to be together on the living floor anyway, you can forget all the separate apartment and unit ideas. A smart townhouse with plenty of rooms will also have good resale value and won’t end up as a horrible unsellable architect’s house full of 30 construction mistakes.

Yes, maybe it will turn out that way. Maybe not. For me, this is the start of a process, not the end just because my first idea didn’t get approval here. I’ve learned a lot and still have much to learn; we’ll see what comes out in the end. The main thing is that my family feels comfortable with the result. Either way, there’s still a lot of work ahead of us. My perfectionist side is too strong for anything less 😀

Maybe my mistake was joining in here too early. I’m a newcomer who just had some ideas and wanted to exchange them in a friendly atmosphere. I hadn’t read enough in the forum beforehand, otherwise I would’ve known what the climate is like here. Basically, it would have been best for me to get perfectly informed first, then show up here and… oh. Then I wouldn’t have needed to come here at all 😉 Well… that was of course an exaggeration.
I’ll write a bit more about this below. You personally can’t be blamed. I thank you for your posts. They helped me in many ways and pointed out my mistakes without sounding arrogant or dismissive. Where I come from, that was always the standard. Not here. So all I can say (even if it may mean little to you) is: keep it up. For me, you’re one of the few bright spots here in the forum. This applies also to everyone else who supports others here and is able to offer constructive criticism, even when a user shares ideas that they themselves would never consider.

kbt09 schrieb:

I agree, because basically I don’t find the floor plan debatable. Because even at first glance, it’s clear these aren’t optimized rooms 😉 😉.

Okay, that probably sums up the local attitude. And there’s no point trying hard here for a calm, friendly exchange of opinions when in the end only jokes and remarks like “the floor plan is not debatable” come up. Sorry, overall this forum seems to have a rather questionable level after my impressions over the past few days. I’ve surely made a thousand mistakes in my plans so far, and my ideas are definitely not ordinary or mainstream. But it would have been nice to discuss them neutrally and at least entertain the thought experiments. To ask yourself, “how might such a concept even be possible?” instead of playing “I’m smart, you’re dumb, do as I say or be the victim of my dismissals.”
There are certainly people here who, whether they share the same opinions or not, give neutral and factual advice (e.g. many thanks to @Tassimat and @hanghaus2000) and that’s a good thing.
Unfortunately, there are also others (more dominant by number of posts) who act condescending, arrogant, and sarcastic. That’s a choice. But in doing so, they contribute to limiting (unwanted) opinions and driving away inexperienced users who dare to have their own ideas despite maybe lacking knowledge.

I myself administered an internet forum for a long time and was a moderator there for several years. Behavior like this wouldn’t have been tolerated there (because the community itself wouldn’t have accepted it), no matter how many thousands of posts someone had. But that’s also always a question of the community and its socialization. Especially the heavy posters and long-time members are, in my view, the ones who significantly shape and preserve the forum’s atmosphere. And here it feels more like a small, well-rehearsed group of users with tens of thousands of posts playing catch with each other to ridicule or insult people who are unwanted or inexperienced. They don’t say “you’re an idiot” outright—but that might be easier to handle. You’d know where you stand right away. The insinuations and subtle insults, however, are exhausting and more underhanded.
What’s sad is that insults, barbs, and abuse happen in any forum sometimes. Often the forum then also suffers from ignorance, and these skirmishes become the focus. Here, however, there is actually plenty of experience (or at least I keep assuming so), but it is often not conveyed in a way that people can benefit from or is only given selectively and sparingly. When you read statements like “many questions do not change the facts,” that basically sums up the twisted approach here. Everyone has questions at the beginning, especially “stupid” ones. Mistakes are inevitable, especially with a complex topic like house building. The question is not whether questions are asked, but how they are handled. Some environments welcome errors as part of learning. Others attack you for them and eventually you hesitate to even speak openly. This climate is deliberately promoted here at least in part. That is unfortunate and unnecessary, and it deprives this whole platform of a large part of its potential.

But that’s just my humble opinion. The heavy posters here have apparently adapted to this style or even actively cultivated it. Maybe you believe you are doing someone a favor. Then let this be said by a newcomer who can only judge by first impressions: you are not. Or rather, you fall far short of what a bit more neutrality or even kindness could achieve.

Take care! Stay healthy and build solid 🙂

Felix85 schrieb:

Alright, that makes sense.
And yes. I really thought the fire department would go anywhere to rescue someone from a window. I didn’t realize that the escape route must lead to the street (although it’s still unclear where exactly the street will end). Sure, that was pretty silly. How could I have missed that.

Yes, maybe it will be like that. Maybe not. To me, this is the start of a process, not the end, just because my first idea was rejected here. I’ve learned a lot and still have much to learn. Let’s see what comes out of it in the end. The main thing is that my family feels comfortable with the result afterwards. Either way, there’s still a lot of work ahead. For everything else, my perfectionist streak is too strong 😀

Maybe I made the mistake of joining in here too early. A novice who just has ideas and wanted to discuss them in a friendly environment. I didn’t read enough in the forum beforehand, otherwise I would have known what the atmosphere is like. Basically, it might have been best if I had fully informed myself first before showing up here and... oh. Then I wouldn’t even need to be here 😉 Well... that was exaggerated, of course.
I’ll write a bit more about this down below. It’s not your fault personally. I thank you for your contributions. They helped me a lot in many areas and pointed out my mistakes without sounding arrogant or dismissive. Where I come from, that kind of approach was always the norm. Not here. So all I can say (even if it might mean nothing to you) is: keep it up. For me, one of the highlights in this forum. This goes to all others here who offer support and can provide constructive criticism, even when a user has ideas that would never occur to them.

Okay, that probably sums up the general attitude here. And there’s no point in trying hard to find a calm, friendly exchange of opinions if at the end you only get jokes and remarks like “the floor plan is not open for discussion.” Sorry, but in my impression these past days, the forum’s overall level isn’t very high. I have certainly made a thousand mistakes in my plans so far, and my ideas are certainly anything but ordinary or mainstream. But it would have been nice if they could have been discussed neutrally and if people had at least entertained the thought experiment of “how could such a concept possibly work?” instead of just playing “I’m smart, you’re dumb, do as I say or be the target of my insults.”
There are certainly people here who, regardless of whether they agree or not, offer neutral and factual advice and tips (e.g. many thanks to @Tassimat and @hanghaus2000), and that’s a good thing.
Unfortunately, there are also others (often more dominant due to their high post count) who act rather condescendingly, arrogantly, and sarcastically. You can do that, but then you’re also contributing to excluding (unwanted) opinions (i.e., limiting diversity of opinion) and driving away inexperienced users who dare to have their own ideas, often based on lack of knowledge.

I have moderated an online forum myself for a long time and was a moderator there for several years. Such behavior as here would not have been tolerated (because the community itself wouldn’t accept it), no matter how many thousands of posts someone had. But it’s always a matter of the community and how it is socialized. Especially the frequent posters and long-term members shape and maintain the forum’s atmosphere in my opinion. Here, it seems like a small, established group of users with tens of thousands of posts passing the ball to one another to ridicule or insult users who are unwanted or less experienced. It’s not like anyone is outright called an idiot, but that might actually be easier to handle—you’d know where you stand immediately. The insinuations and subtle insults spread around are actually more exhausting and underhanded.
What’s sad is that rudeness and sharp remarks do happen in every forum. Often the forum then suffers from ignorance, and those skirmishes become the focus. But here, there’s actually a lot of experience (at least I assume so). It’s just often not communicated in a way that helps or only selectively and in small portions “granted.” When you read statements like “Many questions don’t change the facts,” that basically says everything about the twisted mindset. Everyone has questions at the start, especially beginners. Mistakes are inevitable, especially in a complex subject like house building. It’s not a question of whether questions are asked, but how they are handled. In some environments, people "gladly" make mistakes and learn from them. In others, they get attacked for it and eventually hesitate to speak openly at all. For me, that kind of atmosphere is partly encouraged here. That’s unfortunate and unnecessary, and it deprives this platform of a big part of its potential.

But that’s just my humble opinion. The heavy posters here have accepted or even actively cultivated this attitude. Maybe you think you are doing someone a favor. Then let me say this as a novice who can only judge by first impressions: you’re not. Or rather, you fall far short of what a little more neutrality or even kindness could achieve.

Alright then, take care! Stay healthy and build strong 🙂

I know exactly what you mean. And yes, it really is a shame. When you’ve been around longer, you learn that some people are quite special but valuable and support others in their own way. Others are so convinced of themselves... really unfortunate.
Stick to your thing. Maybe you’ll find it works. Maybe not. Then try another way.

If you want, stay loyal to this forum. It’s worth it.
Edit: most people here are really nice.

Why did I actually expect exactly that? An OP who has known everyone here for so many years provokes such a post.