ᐅ 4-pole momentary push button with center position compatible with Busch-Jäger systems
Created on: 7 Jan 2011 08:45
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Maddin
Hello dear forum community,
First of all, Happy New Year 2011!!! And I already have a question or rather a request:
Hager offers "group push buttons with a neutral middle position," which are 4-pole, designed to control (up/down) two different consumers, and are labeled WUE34. Unfortunately, no covers from the Busch-Jäger switch program fit on these, and Busch-Jäger does not offer anything comparable... ;-(
Throughout the entire house, Busch-Jäger Duro 2000 has been installed, so using covers from the Hager program is unfortunately not an option.
Does anyone here in the forum know of another manufacturer that produces 4-pole series push buttons with a neutral middle position, ideally compatible with Busch-Jäger Duro 2000?
Another solution would be if suitable rocker switches with outer dimensions of 50x50mm (2x2 inches) were available, then the spacer ring (central telecommunications disc 1746-212-101) could be integrated into the Busch-Jäger covers.
The push buttons are to be connected with YJ(ST)Y 2x2x0.6 cable to an Elsner conservatory control system (24V low voltage, locking is done within the device).
Thank you very much for any helpful tips and have a nice day.
First of all, Happy New Year 2011!!! And I already have a question or rather a request:
Hager offers "group push buttons with a neutral middle position," which are 4-pole, designed to control (up/down) two different consumers, and are labeled WUE34. Unfortunately, no covers from the Busch-Jäger switch program fit on these, and Busch-Jäger does not offer anything comparable... ;-(
Throughout the entire house, Busch-Jäger Duro 2000 has been installed, so using covers from the Hager program is unfortunately not an option.
Does anyone here in the forum know of another manufacturer that produces 4-pole series push buttons with a neutral middle position, ideally compatible with Busch-Jäger Duro 2000?
Another solution would be if suitable rocker switches with outer dimensions of 50x50mm (2x2 inches) were available, then the spacer ring (central telecommunications disc 1746-212-101) could be integrated into the Busch-Jäger covers.
The push buttons are to be connected with YJ(ST)Y 2x2x0.6 cable to an Elsner conservatory control system (24V low voltage, locking is done within the device).
Thank you very much for any helpful tips and have a nice day.
Hey Solar, you were a few seconds faster than me...
... exactly, the push buttons from Jung (532-4U), Gira (014700), Berker (503404), Hager (WUE34) cost 10-15 € each. Plus standard rocker switches.
The 6411U-101 is like shooting sparrows with cannonballs, and on top of the €80, you still have the same amount for the control panel, so the cost factor is about 1:10...
The push buttons are to be connected with YJ(ST)Y 2x2x0.6 cable to an Elsner conservatory controller (24V low voltage, locking is done inside the device) that controls everything...
... exactly, the push buttons from Jung (532-4U), Gira (014700), Berker (503404), Hager (WUE34) cost 10-15 € each. Plus standard rocker switches.
The 6411U-101 is like shooting sparrows with cannonballs, and on top of the €80, you still have the same amount for the control panel, so the cost factor is about 1:10...
The push buttons are to be connected with YJ(ST)Y 2x2x0.6 cable to an Elsner conservatory controller (24V low voltage, locking is done inside the device) that controls everything...
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hausbauer620 Jan 2026 22:01The existing installation uses Busch and Jäger Balance SI. Blinds are to be retrofitted, using as few flush-mounted boxes as possible. I want a traditional installation without any control system. Busch and Jäger do not offer a 4-gang rocker switch in their product line, so an alternative needs to be found. I searched for switch series that can be combined with Balance SI or are very similar to it.
Comparison:
Busch and Jäger Balance SI alpine white
Berker Modul 2 / S.1 polar white
Gira System 55 pure white glossy
Comparison of multiple-gang frames
The Berker S.1 frame is very flat with a thickness of approx. 9mm (0.35 inches). The rounding between the individual compartments in the multiple-gang frames is quite pronounced.
The Balance SI frame is 12mm (0.47 inches) thick and has only slight rounding between the individual compartments.
The System 55 frame is 11mm (0.43 inches) thick and has a straight line across all compartments in the multiple-gang frame.
The recesses in the frames and flush-mounted inserts are manufacturer-specific, although the external dimensions of the frames, switches, and flush-mounted inserts are the same.
The plastic of the flush-mounted insert from System 55 fits well with the Busch and Jäger frame and has only minor play. The switch cover rests only on the corners but holds the frame securely. From the outside, the switch cover does not look harmonious as it is completely flat and therefore protrudes more at the corners. The actuation point is very good, and the clicking sound when pressing is pleasant.
The Gira switch insert (shown on the right in the pictures) requires a slightly deeper flush-mounted box because the left two rockers and the right two rockers can be supplied separately, and the wires are connected from the back, not from the side.
The Berker S.1 inserts do not fit as well here. The flush-mounted insert is flat, similar to Busch and Jäger, and the centering is done via the switch cover. The cover has two small tabs at the top and bottom, which center it within the Busch and Jäger frame. Since the frame lacks recesses like the original S.1 frame, there is a gap between the metal of the flush-mounted insert and the switch cover. The two hooks on the left and right do not fully snap into the flush-mounted insert, but it still holds. The switch cover matches the frame curves very well. The clicking sound is louder and “rougher” than Gira’s, and the actuation force is slightly higher.
On the left, the S.1 switch cover in the Balance SI frame: the tabs center the frame, but the cover remains with some gap. In the center and right images, the original S.1 frame with recesses for the tabs and exact fit is shown; the cover and frame are flush at the back here.
The Busch and Jäger frame could be milled to add these recesses, but then the switch cover would slide further into the frame, which is thicker than the original frame. When pressing the switch, the frame would then protrude.
Decision
I will use Berker S.1. It matches very well visually with the Balance SI system, and it is hardly noticeable that a different system has been integrated.
Comparison:
Busch and Jäger Balance SI alpine white
Berker Modul 2 / S.1 polar white
- Berker 503404 Modul 2 rocker switch 4-gang × 1
- Berker 16448989 2-gang blind rocker switch
Gira System 55 pure white glossy
- Gira 314700 push-button switch insert
- Gira 329703 rocker with arrow symbols, 2-gang
Comparison of multiple-gang frames
The Berker S.1 frame is very flat with a thickness of approx. 9mm (0.35 inches). The rounding between the individual compartments in the multiple-gang frames is quite pronounced.
The Balance SI frame is 12mm (0.47 inches) thick and has only slight rounding between the individual compartments.
The System 55 frame is 11mm (0.43 inches) thick and has a straight line across all compartments in the multiple-gang frame.
The recesses in the frames and flush-mounted inserts are manufacturer-specific, although the external dimensions of the frames, switches, and flush-mounted inserts are the same.
The plastic of the flush-mounted insert from System 55 fits well with the Busch and Jäger frame and has only minor play. The switch cover rests only on the corners but holds the frame securely. From the outside, the switch cover does not look harmonious as it is completely flat and therefore protrudes more at the corners. The actuation point is very good, and the clicking sound when pressing is pleasant.
The Gira switch insert (shown on the right in the pictures) requires a slightly deeper flush-mounted box because the left two rockers and the right two rockers can be supplied separately, and the wires are connected from the back, not from the side.
The Berker S.1 inserts do not fit as well here. The flush-mounted insert is flat, similar to Busch and Jäger, and the centering is done via the switch cover. The cover has two small tabs at the top and bottom, which center it within the Busch and Jäger frame. Since the frame lacks recesses like the original S.1 frame, there is a gap between the metal of the flush-mounted insert and the switch cover. The two hooks on the left and right do not fully snap into the flush-mounted insert, but it still holds. The switch cover matches the frame curves very well. The clicking sound is louder and “rougher” than Gira’s, and the actuation force is slightly higher.
On the left, the S.1 switch cover in the Balance SI frame: the tabs center the frame, but the cover remains with some gap. In the center and right images, the original S.1 frame with recesses for the tabs and exact fit is shown; the cover and frame are flush at the back here.
The Busch and Jäger frame could be milled to add these recesses, but then the switch cover would slide further into the frame, which is thicker than the original frame. When pressing the switch, the frame would then protrude.
Decision
I will use Berker S.1. It matches very well visually with the Balance SI system, and it is hardly noticeable that a different system has been integrated.
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