ᐅ 12 x 9.6 m, 2 full stories, basement, attic, 4 children's bedrooms
Created on: 26 Apr 2018 22:24
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Johannes L
Hello everyone,
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
After more than six years of searching, we will soon be able to purchase a plot of land, so it’s time to advance the planning.
Since we are still undecided whether to build with an architect or a developer, we started drawing ourselves and have been diligently browsing internet forums like this one. The floor plans below are the result, thanks to SketchUp.
I hope we understand the floor area ratio correctly, meaning the basement is not included. Otherwise, we have a problem...
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 15.6 x 29.95 m = 436 sqm (51.2 x 98.3 ft = 4,692 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio 0.4 = 174.4 sqm (1,878 sq ft)
Floor area ratio 0.8 = 348.8 sqm (3,753 sq ft)
Building envelope, building line and boundary 12 m depth (39 ft)
Setbacks 3 m (10 ft) on right and left
Number of parking spaces only in front of the garage planned
Number of storeys 2 full storeys
Roof type Gable roof 42 degrees
Style brick + Wienerberger Poroton T7 P 36.5
Orientation garden facing east-northeast
Maximum height restrictions 10 m (33 ft) high
Other requirements finished floor level at least 30 cm (12 inches) above reference mark
Client requirements
Style, roof shape, building type gable roof is mandatory
Basement, number of storeys 2 full
Number and ages of occupants 6 (37, 36, 6, 4, 2, 0)
Space requirements on ground and upper floors (see plan)
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests sleeping per year the attic provides enough space
Open or closed architecture
Traditional or modern design it will be a smart home with KNX, photovoltaic system, heat pump, possibly battery storage…
Open kitchen, kitchen island open kitchen
Number of dining seats 6
Fireplace no
Music/stereo wall I was thinking of multi-room audio, i.e. one ceiling speaker per room
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport garage
Utility garden, greenhouse later
Additional wishes/particulars/daily routine, also reasons why certain things are required or excluded The house should be divisible in 25 years, hence the staircase placement. There is a kitchen shown on the upper floor, but it will only be relevant in 25 years. I roughly marked the ventilation system, indicating where ceiling or wall outlets might be and where ducts lead to the upper floors. The two offices are important. The master bedroom on the ground floor is future-proof. Everyone gets old!
House design
Who designed the plan: us amateurs
What do you like most? Why? four equally sized children’s rooms
What do you like least? Why? the upstairs hallway might be somewhat dark
Price estimate according to architect/planner: if only we knew
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: 400 + building allowance
Preferred heating technology: ground-source heat pump
If you have to give up features or extensions
- what can you do without: I hope we don’t have to
- what can you not do without: we definitely want to keep the base dimensions and the basement is a must, but we may have to save on components.
Why is the design like it is now? 4 children’s rooms, two offices, ground floor master bedroom, divisibility in 25 years…
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? that’s what we want to know from you
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
What would you do differently and why?
That your mother uses a wheelchair raises some additional questions for me. What are the chances that she will be able to stay overnight at your place and have access to the shower?
So far, for simplicity's sake, I had assumed that the office between the bedroom and bathroom on the ground floor would be “simply” removed if a truly barrier-reduced / accessible bathroom is needed. Do the toilet and washbasin in the current plan at least already suit a wheelchair user?
So far, for simplicity's sake, I had assumed that the office between the bedroom and bathroom on the ground floor would be “simply” removed if a truly barrier-reduced / accessible bathroom is needed. Do the toilet and washbasin in the current plan at least already suit a wheelchair user?
kbt09 schrieb:
I also think you can do without a guest toilet. It simply doesn’t “fit” here: every detail can contribute to making a house feel cramped. This bathroom overall just feels designed for a camper van, not a house. And a tiny office requires a much higher air exchange rate if you want to be able to concentrate in it. There is no substitute for room volume.
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Johannes L schrieb:
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I designed the two office rooms according to our requirements. I just need a small room where I can work and make calls undisturbed. My wife wants a private room she can lock so she can leave things “out” sometimes without the kids getting into them.
.I assume everyone would like to have a room they can lock behind them.
However, every square meter costs money and should be allocated as quality living space that can serve multiple purposes.
So you find a compromise, combining the needs of both the man and the woman, and end up with a nice room where each person can have their own space—and if necessary, use it together, provided the kids don’t mind.
But even the discussion about the guest toilet shows that you are approaching the planning with a narrow focus. You are building mental barriers into the house as well.
And later you wonder why you can’t fix anything properly.
I find the two small rooms to find peace already somewhat contradictory to the living area.
You are planning the living room as a passageway. That’s not ideal. It has no real advantages. It may sound nice to step right into the living room, but practically, especially with children, it’s different.
No one wants to be watched by the mail carrier while lounging on the sofa. And when a teenager wants to grab something to drink from the fridge in the evening, the person sitting on the sofa (the parent) doesn’t want to be interrupted while watching an exciting crime show.
Not to mention the awkward neck twisting. TV watching is therefore not properly planned, it’s just a makeshift solution because it was not thought through.
Well, I’m not trying to talk you out of your opinion, but I want to open your mind to practical everyday living—also 10 years from now.
ypg schrieb:
So you compromise by combining the needs of the man and the woman, creating a nice space where everyone can develop individually, and if needed, even together, In my opinion, a home office should have the additional benefit that spouses spend a little more daytime together. Being in the same house but only communicating via webcam, just because each is isolated in a separate room, would feel strange to me.
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Johannes L schrieb:
That's true, a 60cm (24 inch) door is definitely not a luxury, but we've been living here for 7 years and everyone, really everyone, has managed to get through the hallway that is over 3m (10 feet) long and 65cm (26 inch) wide, all the way to the bathroom and back... and the guest toilet is meant for guests who just need a quick break. Especially when a bit tipsy, it's easier to keep your direction that way I'm out for now...
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Johannes L30 Apr 2018 11:31So, I volunteered in assisted living, and a few years ago my parents remodeled their bathroom to be accessible for people with disabilities. Because of that, I’m quite familiar with what is possible in a bathroom for wheelchair users, especially since the assisted living buildings were all retrofitted to be accessible rather than being fully rebuilt. The bathroom as currently planned also works for wheelchair users because 1. there is enough space on both sides of the toilet, 2. the sink can be made wheelchair-accessible if needed, and 3. the shower is wide (I know, it should ideally be 1.5 m (5 feet) wide) and long enough to shower in with a wheelchair. There would also still be space for a seat in the shower.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a large bathroom, but it works. Leaving out the guest toilet would even create more space! Whether the guest toilet is really needed or will be left out can be decided later, but in the past, I have had no issues using a bathroom “for everyone” either in our home or at others’. In the city, this isn’t uncommon. Since, as I mentioned before, we have our own caravan, I’m quite used to really cramped bathrooms and toilets. I still really look forward to every camping holiday (please don’t start a discussion about whether that is comparable). Currently, we have about 3.1 sq m (33 sq ft) for a bathtub, toilet, and sink. You could say that the bathroom is not exactly a showcase feature for us.
Air circulation in the home office is ensured by the ventilation system. There is also a 2 m (6.5 feet) wide window, and if that’s not enough, the door can be left open. Until the kids return from daycare or school, that’s no problem… and yes, working from home does mean I get to see my family more than otherwise. Why I still can’t close the door sometimes (especially when on the phone) is beyond me.
There is a door between the stairwell and the living room. You only see the mail carrier when it’s open.
Some comments make it sound like constitutional laws are being declared. Different opinions about the floor plan are always welcome, but we can also agree to disagree — live and let live!
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a large bathroom, but it works. Leaving out the guest toilet would even create more space! Whether the guest toilet is really needed or will be left out can be decided later, but in the past, I have had no issues using a bathroom “for everyone” either in our home or at others’. In the city, this isn’t uncommon. Since, as I mentioned before, we have our own caravan, I’m quite used to really cramped bathrooms and toilets. I still really look forward to every camping holiday (please don’t start a discussion about whether that is comparable). Currently, we have about 3.1 sq m (33 sq ft) for a bathtub, toilet, and sink. You could say that the bathroom is not exactly a showcase feature for us.
Air circulation in the home office is ensured by the ventilation system. There is also a 2 m (6.5 feet) wide window, and if that’s not enough, the door can be left open. Until the kids return from daycare or school, that’s no problem… and yes, working from home does mean I get to see my family more than otherwise. Why I still can’t close the door sometimes (especially when on the phone) is beyond me.
There is a door between the stairwell and the living room. You only see the mail carrier when it’s open.
Some comments make it sound like constitutional laws are being declared. Different opinions about the floor plan are always welcome, but we can also agree to disagree — live and let live!
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